WorshippingJesus said:Quote Jack, the scripture you quote says the “Son of Man” is coming in “the Glory” of his Father with his (Jesus) Holy Angels!Keith,It does NOT say that He would come back to earth does it?WJ:Quote By the way Jack, notice that he will root out of his Kingdom all that causes sin and does evil, but you say that there will be…[Read more]

Constitutionalist said:Quote Jesus returns with the righteous to the Mount of Olives. (Zec 14:3-9)Con,I thought you were an anti-trinitarian?  It says that “Jehovah” shall come to the Mt. of Olives. Have you changed your mind? Chapter one says that “Jehovah” would return to them (1:1-3). It had reference to a returning of Jehovah in Zechariah's…[Read more]

Quote (georg @ Nov. 15 2009,03:33)Quote (thethinker @ Nov. 15 2009,03:25)Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 14 2009,10:36)Which one lied? Jesus said “it now is”, yet years later Paul said “About to be” who is right?Your statement “Consequently, Jesus' use of “NOW IS” and Paul's use of “ABOUT TO BE” show conclusively that the resurrection was in the…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 14 2009,10:36)Which one lied? Jesus said “it now is”, yet years later Paul said “About to be” who is right?Your statement “Consequently, Jesus' use of “NOW IS” and Paul's use of “ABOUT TO BE” show conclusively that the resurrection was in the immediate future of the first generation of Christians.”. Quite the opposite…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 14 2009,04:05)JackQuote (thethinker @ Nov. 13 2009,11:05)You ain't got it straight man! There are no contradictions in scripture! Paul said that “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.”The contradictions is in your camp Jack!For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 14 2009,03:58)JackQuote (thethinker @ Nov. 13 2009,11:05)First, The word “body” is “soma” and sometimes may indicate the whole man. I have already shown you this from Vine's.Give me some scriptural examples! I have already checked every instance where “soma” is used and in every case it is speaking of the natural…[Read more]

Worshippingjesus said:Quote Hi AllThe Preterist view IMO denys the resurrection of the saints for according to the Preterist the saints go straight to heaven and recieve a body and their body that they live in is never raised from the dead!The clear teaching of the scriptures is Jesus is the firstfruits and firstborn from the dead. Meaning he is…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote What does “…SHALL BE **CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS**, to meet the Lord in the air”: mean?Keith, What does the “dead in Christ shall rise FIRST mean?” You offer me futurist translation and just expect me to accept it?WJ:Quote Barnes' Notes on the New Testament explains this very well…Shall rise first.…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote The resurrection is the “quickening” or raising up our mortal bodies (the seed) to be made like unto his glorious body.For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: “WHO SHALL **CHANGE OUR VILE BODY**, THAT IT MAY BE FASHIONED LIKE UNTO HIS GLORIOUS BODY, according t…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 13 2009,09:43)Quote (thethinker @ Nov. 11 2009,14:30)The resurrection of Jesus was about His coming out of hades (Acts chapters 2 & 13). Paul said that He was raised up from the “abyss” (Rom. 10:7). His body was put in a tomb. It did not come out of the abyss. It was Jesus Himself that was raised up from the abyss.…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote The resurrection is the “quickening” or raising up our mortal bodies (the seed) to be made like unto his glorious body.Keith,Read it again in light of Paul's analogy. He said that the seed which is sown “dies”, that is, it dissolves. Then he said that what is left is the “bare” grain. The word for “bare” here is…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 12 2009,06:39)Hi TT, As usual you err following your instincts rather than scripture.Nick,If I err it is not as a fool. Paul said that those who think that we will have the same body are “fools.”“36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body…[Read more]

Worshippingjesus said:Quote JackNo Spin!It is you that not to long ago went after David for claiming that Jesus resurection was simply a spiritual one.Now you claim that our bodies will not be resurected and made like unto his glorious body.Jesus is the firstfuits of the resurection. You are denying the resurection.The word resurection does not…[Read more]

bodhitharta said:Quote Wasn't the thread about Abraham's covenant cannot be nullified? Yet he wishes to nullify the covenant of Abraham choosing some covenants over others according to whimbd,You say the covenant of salvation included Ishmael. Okay, how long is that covenant to go forth? King David said that God commanded it to go forth to “a thous…[Read more]

Worshippingjesus said:Quote Take note everyone, that Preterism takes away our blessed hope of the resurrection!while we wait for “the blessed hope”–the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, Titus 2:13Keith,I thought you wanted me to stop with the “spin.” Your statement above is wrong.TO ALL: It was THEIR hope but our reali…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote :If you keep up the spin then I will drop this dialogue with you.Keith,You were the very first person to bring up “allegorizing.” Remember that. But okay, I will drop the “spin.” I guess the futurists don't like it when it is done to them.WJ:Quote We know that Paul died a martyr death therefore according to Jack,…[Read more]

Hey Guys,You have gotten off track. The point of this thread is to show that the futurist's silly notion that God will destroy this earth is false. King David said that God would show mercy to a thousand generations of Abraham's descendants. According to Matthew's geneaology Jesus was only 42 generations from Abraham. We are about 50 generations…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 10 2009,12:18)Quote (thethinker @ Nov. 09 2009,16:56)WorshippingJesus said:Quote Its because he did not come and their rest was in Christ! The promise was for all those in Christ Jesus!So you're saying that the statement “when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven” may be interpreted metaphorically then?  It simply…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 10 2009,09:23)Hi TT, So adjust the meanings to make them fit when jammed into your wierd dogma?The Son will judge all when he has returned, has met with the saints in the air and has completed his cleanup of earth in one biblical day.Nick,Jesus told the Jews that the word He had spoken to them would judge them. He came as…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 10 2009,08:15)Quote (thethinker @ Nov. 09 2009,13:45)WorshippingJesus said:Quote Because the clouds are the place of meeting just as a general when he calls his warriors to war their meeting place is at base.Keith,Not likely. The Greek “en” may also be rendered “through”. They go upward through the clouds to meet…[Read more]