Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 20 2009,09:07)Quote (thethinker @ Nov. 19 2009,13:51)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,04:58)Hi TT, Are preterist glasses better? Naaah. Read it as writ.The coming of Christ was THEIR blessed hope. The futurists can't rob it from them no matter what glasses they wear because the promise was kept!“For in just a very…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote For our conversation is in heaven; “FROM WHENCE ALSO WE LOOK FOR THE SAVIOUR, the Lord Jesus Christ: “WHO SHALL **CHANGE OUR VILE BODY**, THAT IT MAY BE FASHIONED LIKE UNTO HIS GLORIOUS BODY, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. Phil 3:20, 21Keith,Not “air tight” as you s…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote What Jack is saying here is that the “season” or “harvest time” is from Christ proposed return in 70AD until now, 2000 years later. But Jack is proposing that this happens when someone dies they are going to the clouds according to 1 Thess 4:17 bypassing the resurrection of their bodies!Keith,Why do you twist what I…[Read more]

TO KEITH:Keith,This is to reply to your question when every knee will bow. The futurist interpretation of this verse is another example of how they commit the fallacy of generalization. The prophecy that said that “every knee shall bow” referred only to the elect of God and it is UNTO THEIR SALVATION that they confess Christ.Quote 22 “ Look to M…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 19 2009,08:37)Quote (thethinker @ Nov. 18 2009,15:36)Worshippingjesus said:Quote Jack also has chosen to deny the testimony of the world renowned Greek Grammarian and accused him of being dishonest in his explanation of the verse.TO ALL:Let my brother show where I accused any grammarian of “dishonesty.” I simply said…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,04:58)Hi TT, Are preterist glasses better? Naaah. Read it as writ.The coming of Christ was THEIR blessed hope. The futurists can't rob it from them no matter what glasses they wear because the promise was kept!“For in just a very little while,   He who is coming will come and will not delay.”Anyone who does not…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote ORDER “Strong's G5001 – tagma which is defined as;1) that which has been arranged, thing placed in order 2) a body of soldiers, a corps 3) band, troop, classThe order of class or body is Christ the Firstfruits and afterward those that belong to Christ at his coming!Not so Keith! It says EACH man “in His own rank.”…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 19 2009,08:26)Quote (thethinker @ Nov. 18 2009,15:36)TO ALL:Let my brother show where I accused any grammarian of “dishonesty.” I simply said that his rendering was “skewed just a little by his futurism.”  I said that Robertson was not the “final word.” This is a far cry from accusing someone of dishonesty.How Jack?…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote Hi WJ,Surely the curse on the earth will be lifted and the weeds and thorns disappear. Nick,God lifted the curse on the earth AFTER the flood.“Never again will I curse the ground because of man even though every inclination of his heart is evil from his childhood.” Genesis 8: 21It is obvious from this that God had lifted the curse…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote And it shall be in that day, “that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem”; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. Zech 14:9Tell us Jack,…[Read more]

Worshippingjesus said:Quote Jack also has chosen to deny the testimony of the world renowned Greek Grammarian and accused him of being dishonest in his explanation of the verse.TO ALL:Let my brother show where I accused any grammarian of “dishonesty.” I simply said that his rendering was “skewed just a little by his futurism.”  I said that…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said;Quote Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “”See, THE LORD IS COMING WITH THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF HIS HOLY ONES (AV saints)” to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him…[Read more]

Quote (Beloved @ Nov. 18 2009,16:56)Thanks for the welcome. I was just browsing through the responses made to this topic and I really can't understand the view that this is the new earth. That someone would think that baffles me. There's so much that the bible says is going to happen that hasn't even taken place yet.We are getting closer to the…[Read more]

TO WJ AND ALL:Upon further investigation of the word “hama” I have discovered that as a particle the word means “at the same time.” But as an adverb it denotes “close association”. See Strong's # 260.The word “hama” in  1 Thessalonians 4:17 must be understood as an adverb because the context will not allow for it to function as a particle. Paul…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote So now you know more than AT Robertson?Keith,You speak as if I offered you no scholarship at all to consider. I gave you the NEB which says, “then we who are alive and remain will be caught up to join them.” The NEB's rendering was done by a group of scholars too you know. I chose the one which works with Paul's…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote Jack you cannot have your cake and eat it too! You are doing what is called… “Eisegesis” which means you are reading into the text you own Ideas!The key words are “”from this time onward”! You are taking it to mean 40 years later. But Jesus words do not agree with you, for he said “from this time onward” didn't he?Quote Seriously Jack, do you want to go down this road?Yeap!WJ said:Quote Jack how is it that you can pick and choose in OT scripture where the Father or Jesus are spoken of?Keith,Who is speaking in the statement “Jehovah said to My Lord, sit at My right hand til I make your ememies your footstool.” Is it Jehovah the Father…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote Notice, how Jack implies that Barnes means a “Long” interval and that some how this may agree with the Preterist interpretation that the interval is for centuries since according to them Christ has already come and the “**CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS**” is when you and I die!TO ALL:I marvel that Keith said…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 16 2009,17:24)JackQuote (thethinker @ Nov. 13 2009,14:29)I can no longer take futurists seriously because of all their double talk. So I am not at all impressed by their “scholarship” in the area of eschatology.Since you can no longer take me seriously then I will no longer take you seriously!You totally in my…[Read more]