Quote (terraricca @ July 31 2011,05:47)Alllittle story; allegory two liars where walking away from a meeting ,where they have presented and confronted all others present with their views on truthfulness, and now looked back to the discussion,they both congratulate each other of there own participation in the presentation of their devious views and…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2011,12:48)Pierre,I explain my understanding because God instructs his people to seek understanding and I assume those that seek him do just that.To properly understand scripture you need to think like the people it was originally addressed to as well as one who thinks in spiritual ways.We of this time have been taught to…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2011,20:52)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 30 2011,02:06)Quote (Lightenup @ July 30 2011,06:03)Wow Roo,You purposely took a hit for the kingdom of God, I'm impressed although I didn't read your thread.  You have me curious God bless, KathiKathi,The scale was 1-10 and was not based on one's Christological position but on his…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2011,16:16)Hi Jack,What was my rating?God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd,You were not included.Jack

Quote (Lightenup @ July 30 2011,14:30)Mike,I have no desire to go on a search for you in this regards.  I have proven that a compound unity is spoken about in the singular.  Gender is not the issue.KathiKathi,I recently made an interesting discovery regarding the idea of compound unity being spoken about in scripture in the singular. In John 1…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 30 2011,06:08)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 30 2011,03:32)Marty wrote:Quote Adam was a son of God.  But Jesus was the Firstbegotten Son of God, and yes, he is the eldest Son supreme over all of God's creation.Marty,At least we agree that the name “firstborn” in relation to Christ means “eldest son” and”supreme.” He is the…[Read more]

The fallacy that Jesus cannot be God because God will not share His glory with another overlooks that God was speaking about not sharing glory with carved images. Jesus is not a carved image made in the image of man or beast but is the image of the invisible God Himself.KJ

Quote (Lightenup @ July 30 2011,06:03)Wow Roo,You purposely took a hit for the kingdom of God, I'm impressed although I didn't read your thread.  You have me curious God bless, KathiKathi,The scale was 1-10 and was not based on one's Christological position but on his ability to present his position logically and consistently. I believe I was…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 30 2011,04:03)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 30 2011,08:38)Pierre said:Quote no ;it is not ,like i say it talks about Christ only and so it can not be humanity,So when Paul daid that the gospel was preached to “every creature under heaven” it had nothing to do with humanity?And when Paul said that Christ is the firstborn of…[Read more]

Marty wrote:Quote Adam was a son of God.  But Jesus was the Firstbegotten Son of God, and yes, he is the eldest Son supreme over all of God's creation.Marty,At least we agree that the name “firstborn” in relation to Christ means “eldest son” and”supreme.” He is the eldest son by rank and not chronologically because God had firstborn sons before…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 29 2011,17:00)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2011,22:30)Quote (Lightenup @ July 27 2011,23:20)Pierre,Here is your scripture:See my notes in parenthesis:Isaiah 19:20It will become a sign and a witness to the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the LORD (Jehovah our God, the unity of the Father and the Son)…[Read more]

Pierre said:Quote no ;it is not ,like i say it talks about Christ only and so it can not be humanity,So when Paul daid that the gospel was preached to “every creature under heaven” it had nothing to do with humanity?And when Paul said that Christ is the firstborn of “every creature” it has nothing to do with humanity even though the firstborn was…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ July 29 2011,08:18)Quote . But Genesis 5:1-2 says that God called their NAME “Adam”KJYet in Gen 3:20 ¶ And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.  She is called Eve.Irene,Adam called her Eve but GOD called her “Adam.”KJ

Pierre wrote:Quote but look what it says;Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. (it means over all that was created)Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 29 2011,04:20)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 29 2011,11:08)Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,11:52)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 29 2011,10:32)Peirre I don't disregard verse 20 but it looks like you disregard verse 19. As usual when you have no response to a certain scripture that you disagree with then you claim it…[Read more]

Pierre said:Quote KJnot that I know of ,Paul was send to the gentiles Col 1:15 Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before God made anything at all and is supreme(first born) over all creation.but the Greek documents shows OVER ALL CREATION  AND SO THIS COULD AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED as truebecause we know that Christ has…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 29 2011,04:21)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2011,13:38)Quote (942767 @ July 27 2011,13:43)As I said, this may refer to Jesus indirectly because God created all things by him, but nowhere, do the scriptures state that Jesus is the first creature created by God.  Colossians 1:15 states that he is “the firstborn of all…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2011,12:53)Quote (Lightenup @ July 27 2011,07:40)Mike,I haven't researched these passages but this is what Gill says about each:From Gill:thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hands of their enemies; such were judges, Othniel, Ehud,…[Read more]

Mike said:Quote But this “THEM” is always referred to as a “HIM”, right guys?  So why would you now say “THEM” instead of “but we are to be one with HIM”? Let's see what Mike would do with Psalm 147:5?“5Great our Lord, and abundant in power, Of His understanding there is no narration.”The Hebrew word for “Lord” is “Adon” and in the original it…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 29 2011,01:39)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 29 2011,02:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2011,13:38)Quote (942767 @ July 27 2011,13:43)As I said, this may refer to Jesus indirectly because God created all things by him, but nowhere, do the scriptures state that Jesus is the first creature created by God.  Colossians 1:15…[Read more]