Quote (david @ Dec. 15 2009,18:13)Quote COYet God says that you and your spouse is One.And what does that mean, WJ?Does it not mean that we are “one” in purpose?Moses said “one FLESH” not one purpose. thinker

Quote (chosenone @ Dec. 15 2009,17:57)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 15 2009,17:52)Quote (chosenone @ Dec. 15 2009,01:35)I'm sure if God was one in three persons, He would say so in plain language.  Yet He does say clearly, in plain language, that God is one. (scripture previously quoted).Blessings.COThere are lots of things God did not say so in…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 16 2009,05:02)Hi TT, If he is God WHO is his God?We have been through this before Nick. The Father was Christ's God but NOT His Lord or King. Christ has no Lord or King over Him. Christ is the “only Master and Lord (Jude 5).You yourself have said that “God” does not equal “Lord.”thinker

CO said:Quote CO said:Quote  I believe this is identifying our “great God” and our “Saviour Jesus Christ” (both).  Not our “great God and Saviour” (one) Heaven Net friends,Titus 2:13 is a direct assertion that Jesus Christ is God,Quote Looking for that blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus ChristNote this g…[Read more]

Constitutionalist said:Quote Personally I use KJV, it is far better than the ESV or the NASB, even with it's translation problems.  I also refuse to use any bible with a copyright law. Because it is bastardized even farther.But the KJV is based in later manuscripts. You say “Original – oldest same point.” Therefore, the manuscripts on which the…[Read more]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 16 2009,01:04)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 15 2009,01:22)CON said:Quote Thought we were talking ESV, now your talking NASB.Personally I use KJV, it is far better than the ESV or the NASB, even with it's translation problems.  I also refuse to use any bible with a copyright law. Because it is bastardized even…[Read more]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 16 2009,00:52)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 15 2009,00:58)WorshippingJesus said to Con:Quote The fact that a couple of early manuscripts reads it Jesus just adds weight to it.WJ,Not only do the EARLY manuscripts that say “Jesus” add weight to it, but by Con's own standards the EARLY manuscripts would be AS the originals.…[Read more]

CON said:Quote Thought we were talking ESV, now your talking NASB.Personally I use KJV, it is far better than the ESV or the NASB, even with it's translation problems.  I also refuse to use any bible with a copyright law. Because it is bastardized even farther.You're being evasive. I am not talking about the NASB text. I am talking about the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 14 2009,12:08)Hi TT, So you are somehow convinced that a couple of early manuscripts must be correct?Was Jesus the God of Israel and if so why did he say what he did in Jn8.54?Nick,By Con's own standards the EARLY manuscripts would be AS authoritative as the originals. Note what he said,“Original – Oldest same point,”So…[Read more]

Gollamudi said:Quote Wonderful post brother Gene. We don't need written word for our salvation which was corrupted by biased human beings.Thanks and love to you.AdamTO KEITH:Keith,Did you notice that Gene and others here have started to say that we don't need scripture? It wasn't until the two EARLY manuscripts were introduced that they started to…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said to Con:Quote The fact that a couple of early manuscripts reads it Jesus just adds weight to it.WJ,Not only do the EARLY manuscripts that say “Jesus” add weight to it, but by Con's own standards the EARLY manuscripts would be AS the originals. Note what he said,“Original – Oldest same point, you use johnny come lately…[Read more]

Constitutionalist said:Quote So it is a better translation because the preface say's so?LOL, your too much. Did you read the OP to this thread? Or do you have a reading comprehension problem? The NASB translators themselves, though they chose the variant reading “the Lord” acknowledge that the “Jesus” reading is based in “two EARLY manuscripts.”…[Read more]

Constitutionalist said:Quote Original – Oldest same point, you use johnny come lately manuscripts which still bastardize scripture.TO ALL:This man didn't read the OP to this thread or he has a reading comprehension problem. The NASB translators who chose the variant reading “the Lord” acknowledge that the reading “Jesus” in Jude 5 is based in “two…[Read more]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 14 2009,11:47)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 13 2009,16:22)Constitutionalist said:Quote The original “manuscript” does not have “Jesus” saving people out of Egypt.Con,You incessantly misunderstand my point. I am just trying to show that your claim that the Novum testamentum Graece is “Latin translation garbage” is false.…[Read more]

Constitutionalist said:Quote The original “manuscript” does not have “Jesus” saving people out of Egypt.TO ALL:Con's statement above reflects the zenith of his ignorance. We do not have the “original” manuscripts. So we cannot be sure how the original manuscripts read.The preface in the ESV states that the reading in its text is the better…[Read more]

Constitutionalist said:Quote The original “manuscript” does not have “Jesus” saving people out of Egypt.Con,You incessantly misunderstand my point. I am just trying to show that your claim that the Novum testamentum Graece is “Latin translation garbage” is false. The word “Jesus” is found in some Greek manuscripts. Now in your so called scholarly…[Read more]

Jude 1:4-5 (Today's New International Version)4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.    5 Though you already know all this, I want to r…[Read more]

Jude 1:4-5 (Wycliffe New Testament)4 For some unfaithful men privily entered, that sometime were before-written into this doom, and overturn the grace of our God into lechery, and deny him that is only a Lord, our Lord Jesus Christ.    5 But I will admonish you once, that know all things, that Jesus saved his people from the land of Egypt, and t…[Read more]

(New American Standard Bible) 4For certain persons have (A)crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand (B)marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn Âthe grace of our God into (D)licentiousness and (E)deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. 5Now I desire to (F)remind you, though (G)you know all things once for all,…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 14 2009,04:49)Hi tt, Is Jesus the God of the Jews?Jn8.54Nick,Two early Greek manuscripts say that JESUS saved the people out of Egypt. Does this answer your question?thinker