Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 16 2009,18:45)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 14 2009,13:40)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 14 2009,16:22)Hi WJ, Jesus said the Father was the one the Jews called God.Is that God of Jesus and the jews not yet your God?NHThe Jews didn't know God, and they didn't know who Jesus was either.WJWhat a farce of a statement, you…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said to David:Quote And also what is emabarrassing is you saying Jesus is “a god” but not calling him your “god”. If Jesus is “a god” to you and you serve him as your “Only Lord and Master”, Jude 1:4, and he is not “The True God”, then you commit Idolatry.This may be why Wikipedia says that the NWT is “incoherently polytheistic.”…[Read more]

WorshippiingJesus said to David:Quote No it is not grammatically as correct David, first and foremost because John was not a Polytheist…. Exactly! Wikipedia which David invoked on the Preexistence thread says that the NWT is “incoherently polytheistic.” I think it's funny that David would invoke Wikipedia for support when it says that their…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 18 2009,06:42)Hi TT, Who appointed you as judge of veracity?Older age does not prove authenticity does it?Nick,You are not paying attention. It is Con who insinuated that the oldest manuscripts are more reliable. So the ESV by his own standard would be more reliable. I am not dogmatic about the ESV.How do you decide for…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2009,06:36)hi Tinkerno its the right one just answer the questionsI am more interested in David answering the inconsistencies in his NWT translation. If you wanted me to answer then why did you address TK?thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 17 2009,11:35)Hi TT, So the earlier it is the more reliable?Cobblers. Only the original is guaranteed.But we don't have the original. So we must go with the most reliable. Constitutionalist strongly insinuated that the oldest manuscripts are more reliable because they are closer to the original. So by Con's standard the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2009,06:17)hi TKthe scriptures teaches that God and Christ are two beings not one as in the trinity seeing in this way is not a contradiction to the spirit of Christ.the you see it i believe ,you make one scripture go against another one for what reason??the truth cannot be divided.or does it????????t,You answered TK on…[Read more]

TO ALL:Why does the NWT translate “ego eimi” (I am) in reference to Jesus inconsistently:John 8: 24, 28, 58; 13:19:8:24: For if you do not believe that I am , YOU will die in YOUR sins.” 8:28: Therefore Jesus said: “When once YOU have lifted up the Son of man, then YOU will know that I am ,8:58: Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Befor…[Read more]

David wrote:Quote Wallace's “Exhaustive List” of Sharp's Constructions (participles)1. Matt. 7:26 – “the (one) hearing of me … and not doing them”2. Matt. 13:23 – “the (one) the word hearing and comprehending”3. Mark 15:29 – “the (one) tearing down the temple and building (it)”4. Mark 16:16 – “the (one) having believed and having been…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Dec. 18 2009,03:19)Thinker………..Is there no end to you trinitarians twisting an forcing texts , not it the English word ” AND” doesn't mean AND.  When it reads Jesus (AND) GOD THE FATHER, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT?  You are offering us another another maze to travail, when simple Scriptures speak clearly.”O what a Wed we weave w…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Dec. 17 2009,11:36)Quote David also gave a list of translations of Titus 2:13 which really do not contradict the Granville Sharp rule. He is expecting that you will read Titus 2:13 the way he does. David is pretty slick isn't he?So, these translations do not contradict the Sharp rule:1934  “of the great God and of our     The Rive…[Read more]

Constitutionalist said:Quote You can have two Saviors, so to speak.Then you can have two Gods “so to speak.” I am glad that David started this thread. It helps to expose anti-trinitarian double talk.thinker

David said:Quote So compare the KJV rendering of Titus 2:13 (which “treats `God' and `Savior' separately”)  with that of 2 Peter 1:1,  KJV.The KJV says:Quote Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:David,Your r…[Read more]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 17 2009,20:46)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 17 2009,01:41)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 17 2009,18:30)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 16 2009,18:54)David wrote:Quote Also, 1 Tim. 6:13 is translated in trinitarian Bibles as: “before (in the sight or presence of) God … and before Christ Jesus….”  Although Sharp's Rule…[Read more]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 17 2009,18:30)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 16 2009,18:54)David wrote:Quote Also, 1 Tim. 6:13 is translated in trinitarian Bibles as: “before (in the sight or presence of) God … and before Christ Jesus….”  Although Sharp's Rule insists that this should be translated to show that it is speaking of the same person, it…[Read more]

t8 said:Quote If the Trinity doctrine were true, then you would see it written plain and simple.It is written plain and simple for honest people. It is not plain and simple to the blind.I suppose it doesn't bother you that David invokes scriptures against Sharp's rule when Sharp's rule doesn't even apply.The rule:Quote If two substantives are…[Read more]

From the “Sharp's rule” thread:David wrote:Quote Also, 1 Tim. 6:13 is translated in trinitarian Bibles as: “before (in the sight or presence of) God … and before Christ Jesus….”  Although Sharp's Rule insists that this should be translated to show that it is speaking of the same person, it obviously is not!  Obviously, most trinitarian g…[Read more]

David wrote:Quote Also, 1 Tim. 6:13 is translated in trinitarian Bibles as: “before (in the sight or presence of) God … and before Christ Jesus….”  Although Sharp's Rule insists that this should be translated to show that it is speaking of the same person, it obviously is not!  Obviously, most trinitarian grammar experts simply do not b…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 17 2009,10:48)Hi TT,Sure does. Jesus is the light of the world. He is filled with light and truth.The moon cannot radiate that which does not come from within it. It can only reflect light that comes from without. That which radiates comes from within a thing. The Son is the radiance of God's glory. THEREFORE, He is God…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 17 2009,10:47)Hi TT, Are the early manuscripts true?Why?As they say the earlier it is the closer it is to the original. We have Con's own word on it.thinker