Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,10:08)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2009,18:06)hi WJso you don't believe in the trinity ?,if so please exuse me this is then my mistake please forgive me.          thinker

Quote (Gene @ Dec. 20 2009,02:43)Con…….Trinitarians and Preexistences are of those who have recieved a deluding Spirit sent from GOD, because they recieved not the LOVE of the Truth so GOD sent to them as deluding Spirit (INTELLECT), as stated in 2Ths 2. Jesus plainly said in Prayer “FOR THOU ART THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD”. They cant even understand…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Dec. 20 2009,04:04)U…………Welcome…..> you are right Jesus is subject to the FATHER in all things both Now and in the future, We honor Him and his Position our FATHER GOD has given HIM in the Family of GOD. He is the Firstborn from mankind of many brothers and sisters. He is the Head of the House of God, subject only to the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,08:00)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 19 2009,15:58)Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 20 2009,07:39)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 20 2009,07:27)Keith,ED J's views are so convoluted and confusing that I don't even like to bother with him. Nothing he says makes any sense.thinkerHi TT,Are you afraid of something?1Cor.2:14 But the natural…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 20 2009,07:52)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 20 2009,07:41)“He became THE AUTHOR of eternal salvation to all those who obey Him (Heb. 5:9). You better obey that “golden calf.” He is your Savior.thinkerHi TT,What?Ed JWhat part of the statement that Christ is the “AUTHOR” of eternal salvation do you not understand?thinker

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 20 2009,07:39)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 20 2009,07:27)Keith,ED J's views are so convoluted and confusing that I don't even like to bother with him. Nothing he says makes any sense.thinkerHi TT,Are you afraid of something?1Cor.2:14 But the natural man(thinking man) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are…[Read more]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 20 2009,07:37)Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,12:20)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,06:35)You say… “YHVH is GOD=117. He is also LORD Lords=117 and KING Kings=101”.I agree, look who has that name…And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS”. Rev 19:16It seems…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 20 2009,05:37)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 20 2009,00:59)t8's conclusion is obviously flawed and is a denial that Jesus Christ has a name that is “above every name.” thinkerHi TT,1Cor.11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,07:23)Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,15:20)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,06:35)You say… “YHVH is GOD=117. He is also LORD Lords=117 and KING Kings=101”.I agree, look who has that name…And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS”. Rev 19:16It seems…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Dec. 20 2009,03:46)Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 19 2009,21:53)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2009,00:00)hi WJI will invite everyone who is victorious to sit with me on my throne, “just as I was victorious and sat with my Father on his throne”. Rev 3:21 NLTyou know the true meaning of this verse is this;that Christ received from God the…[Read more]

Nick said:Quote Angels are greater than men and who knows their capabilities?jude 5-7Jude 5-7 says that they left heaven and were afterwards bound in “eternal chains.” Are you saying that they had the “capabilities” to escape those chains?thinker

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 19 2009,15:44)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 19 2009,05:23)terraricca said:Quote this time you are out of it totally,first the son of god in Noah  s time were angels;Genesis 6 says nothing about angels. It says “sons of God.” They were men (verses 3,5,7):vs. 3: “And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2009,22:54)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 19 2009,17:41)You are correct, and don't see things like these.Trinitarians can't compare verses for some reason.Trinitarians also think the image of God is God as if the image of me in the mirror is me.  Logical reasoning is not their strong point.Misrepresentation! Hebrews 1…[Read more]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 19 2009,22:41)You are correct, and don't see things like these.Trinitarians can't compare verses for some reason.1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was…[Read more]

t8 said:Quote Jesus still sought the Father's will in all things and I assume he still does.You assume incorrectly. Jesus has ALL authority in heaven and in earth. With this goes the power to execute His own will as He deems fit:“All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the…[Read more]

t8 said:Quote Therefore if I am of God, Jesus is the Lord of my life as God placed him there.Then you may not be of God for the name “Lord” (kurios) in reference to Jesus is the Greek equivalent to the Hebrew Adonai in reference to God.Sometimes the name “kurios” in reference to Jesus is equivalent to the name YHWH (e.g., Heb. 1:10).thinker

t8 said:Quote The point is that whatever conclusion you draw from Christ sitting on the Father's throne must also be drawn with those that sit with Christ on his throne.While on the throne Christ reveals the Father to whomsoever He wills.“All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone…[Read more]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 19 2009,13:59)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 18 2009,10:57)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 18 2009,13:34)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 17 2009,03:47)Constitutionalist said:Quote You can have two Saviors, so to speak.Then you can have two Gods “so to speak.” I am glad that David started this thread. It helps to expose…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 07 2009,10:20)hihow can someone die for Crhist were is it said he needed this sacrifice?if you die in Christ now you die for youself in the faith you have in God and christ that the are able to bring you back to live,that is our hope,no?yes?thinker

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,05:38)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 18 2009,20:56)But sitting at YHWH's right hand makes one God. When YHWH told king David that the Messiah would be exalted to YHWH's right hand he replied saying,“The Lord is at Your right hand;         He shall execute kings in the day of His wrath.” The word “Lord” in verse 5 is not the…[Read more]