Quote (Gene @ Dec. 21 2009,03:28)Ed J………..welcome to my world, you can present the truth as clear as a crystal and they (trinitarians) will not get it. When God sends a deluding Spirit (intellect) they will believe  and teach (THE LIE) and that LIE is that JESUS is A GOD> 2Ths 2. geneYeah right Gene. How many times have we presented truth…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 24 2009,06:00)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 23 2009,11:57)Quote (david @ Dec. 21 2009,14:06)Quote David,Your reasoning is circular. Show how the KJV treats “God” and “Savior” seperately. And show how Jesus could be the “Savior” without being God. And explain how you can have two Saviors.—the …um…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Dec. 22 2009,18:42)But make no mistake…..The Bible does use the word “god” with reference to ones who were neither “false gods” or “The God.”David himself cited Wikipedia which says that the NWT contains an “incoherent polytheism.” David's statement above reflects that he is trying to shake off the “incoherent polytheism” to which…[Read more]

David said:Quote Could not God use Jesus to save the world?Only if Jesus was Jehovah because there is no Savior besides Jehovah:“I – I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior” (Is. 43:11, NWT)Check mate! Your distinction between “God” and “Savior” in Titus 2 is artificial. To be THE Savior is to be Divine. Jesus Christ is THE  Savior.…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Dec. 21 2009,14:06)Quote David,Your reasoning is circular. Show how the KJV treats “God” and “Savior” seperately. And show how Jesus could be the “Savior” without being God. And explain how you can have two Saviors.—the …um …”thinker.”PLEASE!!!!This argument actually makes me vomit in my mouth a little.  It's so simplistic.…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Dec. 21 2009,13:54)Quote This is just one example of David's anti-Christian bag of tricks. I will get to the rest of his post soon. He really has my blood boiling profusely now.–The….um hum…”Thinker.”Quote I don't know TT, 1 Tim. 6:13 seems to be explained pretty well in his post. And it does make sense. I don't know why your…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 21 2009,09:56)Hi tt, So it is either right or wrong?The choices of carnal men do not improve these odds.So it is “eenie, meenie, minie moe” for you?thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 21 2009,09:56)Hi tt, So it is either right or wrong?The choices of carnal men do not improve these odds.When did I use the word “proof?”thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 21 2009,07:13)Hi TT, No .. andgels were with God before the foundations of earth were laid and angels are called sons of GodAngels are not mentioned at all in Ps. 89 and Job 38. Sorry.thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 21 2009,09:40)Hi tt, So you offer no real evidence?I offer real evidence. But not conclusive evidence. I have always said that I am not dogmatic about it.Quote The Novum Testamentum Graece is also known as the Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament, and is in its 27th edition as of this writing. The abbreviation for this text…[Read more]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 21 2009,08:41)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 17 2009,08:24)Quote (Gene @ Dec. 18 2009,03:19)Thinker………..Is there no end to you trinitarians twisting an forcing texts , not it the English word ” AND” doesn't mean AND.  When it reads Jesus (AND) GOD THE FATHER, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT?  You are offering us another a…[Read more]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 21 2009,09:24)Quote (Gene @ Dec. 20 2009,12:22)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 21 2009,05:48)Gene said: Quote Thinker ……..When and where have i ever said we are to be gods, that is not what i have ever said, My post does not even suggested that at all. It is your assumption because you Believe Jesus is A GOD,Gene,You…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 21 2009,08:42)Hi TT, So the age of a manuscript proves nothing.The question was how do you decide which manuscripts are more reliable? I said that I am not dogmatic about the ESV so what's this stuff about “proof.”thinker

Quote (uoflfan @ Dec. 21 2009,07:13)Thinker You are adding your own words to the scriptures.If it was not Gods good pleasure for the fullness of deity to dwell in Christ, then it would not of.What! Adding my own words?“For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell” Colossians 1:19and,“For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily”…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 21 2009,06:53)Hi TT, I do not see Seth or Cain written in Gen6??Cain was a son of God??I do not see angels in Genesis 6. Only two races were in existence at that time. Those were Seth's race and Cain's race. Go figure it out. Genesis 6 clearly says that there was intermarrying happening of which God disapproved. Since…[Read more]

Quote (uoflfan @ Dec. 21 2009,06:06)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 21 2009,05:48)Gene said: Quote Thinker ……..When and where have i ever said we are to be gods, that is not what i have ever said, My post does not even suggested that at all. It is your assumption because you Believe Jesus is A GOD,Gene,You have me confused wit t8 and Kathi. They…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 21 2009,05:56)Hi TT, So implication is all you need to teach things?Nick,You infer from the statement “God was in Christ” that He is not God don't you? The Lamb receives glory and honor and power WITH the Father. It says that “every creature in heaven and earth” give both the Father and the Lamb the same recognition.Are…[Read more]

Quote (uoflfan @ Dec. 21 2009,06:12)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 21 2009,06:02)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 21 2009,04:32)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 19 2009,20:56)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2009,22:54)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 19 2009,17:41)You are correct, and don't see things like these.Trinitarians can't compare verses for some reason.Trinitarians also…[Read more]

Kerwin said:Quote The meaning of “nephilim” is uncertain but I will place my trust in those who translated into the Greek Septuagint and conclude it means “giant”,  I do not believe they meant humongous men but rather “mighty men” which is also used later in scripture for what amounts to a hero.Your definition of “nephilim” as “giants” fro…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 21 2009,04:32)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 19 2009,20:56)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2009,22:54)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 19 2009,17:41)You are correct, and don't see things like these.Trinitarians can't compare verses for some reason.Trinitarians also think the image of God is God as if the image of me in the mirror is me.…[Read more]