Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 28 2009,17:15)Hi David, you said…Quote (david @ Dec. 27 2009,02:59)Ok, “creator” is someone who “creates.”Then you said…  Quote (david @ Dec. 27 2009,02:59)It was Jesus that carried it out.If Jesus is the one that carried out the creation of all things then that means he is the creator, for how could he carry it…[Read more]

Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 27 2009,15:05)WOW. i think my eyes have been opened.the holy spirit is the spirit of god. it has his attributes and powers. it gives knowlege and undersatanding and power to do miracles. it does as what god does for it is what god is.jesus was part of it and was given it thus being able to do those things only god can do to…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 26 2009,18:08)Quote (david @ Dec. 25 2009,13:58)The “defintion” of God is not someone who created everything.  That is the definition of “creator.”But is there any other that created all things but God?WJTO ALL:David is proving what Wikipedia says about the NWT containing an “incoherent polytheism.”thinker

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 26 2009,18:08)Quote (david @ Dec. 25 2009,13:58)The “defintion” of God is not someone who created everything.  That is the definition of “creator.”But is there any other that created all things but God?WJWJ,David views are really getting convoluted now. thinker

ED J said:Quote The HolySpirit is “The Word”; get your facts straight!John 1:14 says that the Word became flesh and that he was the Son from the Father.“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.The Word was the Son from the Father. The Holy Spi…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Dec. 26 2009,07:02)Quote Christ's title as Savior implies that He is Divine.–thinker, “title confusion trick, god”Now, thinker only believes that being called “savior” IMPLIES that someone is divine.Before, he was asking how it is possible that someone be called “savior” and not be divine.THINKER, Are the others who are called…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said to David:Quote I just showed you your example doesn't work because all things are “though God” just like all things are “through Jesus”, but you choose to ignore this point and proceed to create a smoke screen!Yes WJ,All things are through Jesus in the same manner that all things are through God. “All things came into being t…[Read more]

David said:Quote I just point out that God created everything “through” Jesus.  ie: He used Jesus to create everything.  Hence, jesus is never called the 'creator.'  Jehovah is.John 1:3 does not say that Jehovah created through the Word. It says that all things came into being through Him (the Word). It means that all things came into being by DI…[Read more]

David said:Quote Clearly, when it says “only” wise, only holy and the only savior, it can be meaning he is the ultimate in all those things.  Otherwise, the Bible would contradict itself in calling others holy or others, wise.David,This is just more Arain double speak. If Christ is the “ultimate” Savior then He is God. This is just your “title…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote Unlike every other Saviour David brings up in the OT Jesus is not The Saviour by proxy.It was his own blood the blood of God that saved us!WJ,Yes and how many other “saviors” gave His own self in His own body?1 Peter 2:24:“who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live…[Read more]

Quote (banana @ Dec. 25 2009,09:42)thinker  We who know that God is a title will never make Jesus a deity like His Father is.  Jesus had a beginning.  And Scriptures proof so.Hi Irene,We have been over this several times before. A “title” is what a person IS. Barack Obama has the title of President of the United States. Therefore, He IS the Pr…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Dec. 21 2009,17:55)Out of all the title confusion trickery, it is with the word “god” that trinitarians make this argument the most.  I found this article rather interesting:http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2009….dy.htmlEven most trinitarian scholars will admit the truth of the scriptural use of the words rendered “god,”…[Read more]

David said:Quote Please visit the “title confusion trick (second try)” thread if you actually believe this argument has any weight.  Or, continue to ignore it and don't answer any of my questions there.  Either way, people know.David,I visited the thread a second time and pointed out how evasive you were regarding my original question which was t…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Dec. 21 2009,17:55)Out of all the title confusion trickery, it is with the word “god” that trinitarians make this argument the most.  I found this article rather interesting:http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2009….dy.htmlEven most trinitarian scholars will admit the truth of the scriptural use of the words rendered “god,”…[Read more]

David said to thethinker:Quote Secondly, I was not vomiting because of a statement that “the Savior is divine.”I think otherwise.thinker

Quote (david @ Dec. 24 2009,19:20)Quote David says that this argument makes him want to vomit. I cannot imagine anyone who claims to be a christian wanting to vomit because of the statement that the Savior is Divine.Thinker, first, Sharp's made up rule is all you have.  That's it.  So I undertand why you get so emotional when someone attacks y…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote They are about the Fathers buisness preaching the Gospel to the nations, feeding and clothing the poor, bringing relief to the oppressed. You do realize that the majority of those things I mentioned are done by “Christianity” which are by majority Trinitarian, don't you?Exactly! thinker

Quote (Gene @ Dec. 24 2009,12:04)Thinker………Yes indeed Trinitarians have replaced the FATHER with Jesus as You say Jesus is mentioned more times as savior then GOD the FATHER, But Scripture also say and BY GOD HIMSELF , that the is (NO) savior except ME God the FATHER,  And as was thoroughly explained to you by David, many people were called…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote That Jesus is GOD and people hardly ever even Mention GOD the FATHER, but give all you worship to Jesus to the exclusion of GOD the FATHER. Your Practicing and teaching IDOLATRY.Trinitarians do NOT give ALL worship to Jesus. Trinitarians with the rest of creation give worship to the Father AND the Lamb.” And every creature which is…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Dec. 25 2009,02:53)thinker………So now you are saying trinitarians do not say Jesus is A GOD. Now that is a lie, about THE LIE, you teach. If anyone has Half truths it is TRINITARIANS for sure. But i do understand who God Sends a deluding spirit to will truly believe (THE LIE) That Jesus is GOD and people hardly ever even Mention…[Read more]