Quote (Gene @ Jan. 08 2010,13:10)thinker………So you are accusing Jesus of Lying when he said (NO ONE) CAN come unto ME (UNLESS) the FATHER DRAW HIM. Again you are replacing GOD the FATHER with Jesus. YOU are not longer believing what Jesus Said NOR  what the FATHER said  “you shall have (NO) other GOD besides ME”. Doesn't anything bother you T…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 08 2010,12:00)Hi WJ and the thethinker:And so, what is your definition of self existence?Love in Christ,MartyMarty,Come on!thinker

Gene said:Quote Your pushing Jesus ahead of equal to GOD the Father is in error,Gene,You say that Jesus is not equal with God. But we have disproved you a thousand times and you just stop your ears. Paul said that the Son WILL BE subject to the Father. This means that the Son was EQUAL with the Father at the time Paul wrote the book. The statement…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 06 2010,07:14)hi TTif i get a box of candy's from my father , and can share them with anyone i want ,if there are no restriction.whats your problem it is elementary.The prophets said that Messiah would “turn the hearts” of men. Jesus works in the hearts of men and reveals the Father to them. He is God.Amen!thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 08 2010,07:19)Hi TT, You mean ASCRIBE? God does not need men. God blesses all His servants with what they need to work for Him.But none of His servants become Him by being blessed by Him..So when the Psalms say to “give the Lord power and strength” you will refuse to do it because God doesn't need you?Anyway, you are…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 07 2010,06:41)Hi TT, God does not die. He is the living and immortal God. The Son of God died and given eternal life.Why do you get them confused?Define death Nick. Jesus died but said to the thief, “Today you shall be with Me in paradise.”Btw, the thief had more sense than you Nick for he said “Lord, grant me a place…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 08 2010,07:09)Hi TT, So Jesus is to God as an employee is to an employer?What happened to your silly equal trinity idea?The point of the illustration is that it God did not award all authority to Christ as a superior but as a debtor. Justice required God to give Christ all authority and justice knows no inequality. Love…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 08 2010,05:42)Hi WJ, Get the quote accurate, John5 26″For just as the father has life in Himself, even so HE GAVE TO THE SON also to have life in himself.' The Greater blessed the lesser.That's what we said. God gave self existence to the Son. God's people “give” to God power and strength.””All ye peoples, give unto the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 08 2010,06:53)Hi TT, The son has been given all authority by his God. The lesser is blessed by the greater.The Son was given all authority in the manner that an employee is given his wages. Christ received His just reward. Justice knows no inequality.thinker

Jodi Lee said:Quote Our Heavenly Father does not change from being our One True God, and the fact that He planned for us eternal life through the man Jesus of whom He MADE for us to be a Master and the Christ, certainly does NOT change either.Jesus Christ is not “a” master to us. He is “the ONLY master and Lord” (Jude 4). He is the “only King of…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 08 2010,04:37)thinker…………Paul did not say He (preexisted before his berth) that is you trinitarian addition, in fact if you look up the word existed you will find it is (existing) present tense , not a past tense as (existed) would imply. Check it out.Gene,Paul said that Jesus existed in God's form and then He BECAME in…[Read more]

Jodi Lee said:Quote Are you saying that you believe some Spirit Son decided to come to earth acting upon himself and become a servant?Uh no! Jodi Lee:Quote Not only did Jesus not send himself, but what was SENT was in fact the PROMISED Christ, not a pre-existent being was sent to become Christ, but the person who YHVH promised He would send Jesus…[Read more]

Constitutionalist said:Quote So G-d gives Himself what is due to Himself, why would G-d give Himself something He already has? Another mystery?The song goes:“Oz never did give nothin to the Tin Man,That he didn't, didn't already have” God gave self existence to Jesus. If “gave” means imparted, then self-existence cannot be self existence. “for, as…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 06 2010,11:54)thinker……….Again you advance Jesus in the Place of GOD, that is what idolatry is. Jesus pr any of the apostles NEVER did that , Just you TRINITARIANS do that.  That is the apostate religion that Jesus will destory at his return as said in 2 Ths 2. read it that  should cause you great concern t…[Read more]

ED J said:Quote Now what we have presented here is a very interesting yes/no?Since you say there is no bridge? Please explain this very interesting new dichotomy?On the one hand you say (standardized trinity doctrine) Jesus is equal with God (John 10:29 / John14:28), and on the other hand you say though we are Gods Children, Christ cannot raise us…[Read more]

Marty said:Quote The whole of the OT is prophetic, either by scripture or by symbolism, about him, and the NT is about the salvation of mankind through him.Half truths Marty. Half truths are falsehoods.   The New Testament EXPLAINS the Old and it clearly says that Christ created all things by His own hands. We have the Father's word on it:Quote “8…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 06 2010,11:54)thinker……….Again you advance Jesus in the Place of GOD, that is what idolatry is. Jesus pr any of the apostles NEVER did that , Just you TRINITARIANS do that.  That is the apostate religion that Jesus will destory at his return as said in 2 Ths 2. read it that  should cause you great concern t…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 06 2010,18:42)Hi TT, The Lord God will return in the vessel of His Son.Zech 12-14The First and the Last said, “I was DEAD, behold I am alive forevermore.” The First and the Last is clearly Jesus. Very poor try Nicky.Repent Nicky!thinker

Marty said:Quote You are always good for a good laugh, but no, I do not agree that Jesus pre-existed.But yesterday Marty said;Quote Verse 2 says that God made the worlds through him, thinker

ED J said:Quote Plus you have not explained why “Theos” is missing from the critical text that 'as you say' is more accurate?When the systems of religion and traditions of men say something is true: BUYER BEWARE!This is getting too ridiculous now. I did inform you but you failed to make the inference. It is not proper to say that the word “Theos”…[Read more]