Gene said:Quote Thinker , Jesus is my brother who OUR (His and MINE) FATHER placed over our Family,So you can say that He is your brother who is OVER you but you can't come right out and say that He is your Lord? Say that He is Lord “to the glory of God the Father.” If you cannot say that Jesus is your Lord then God is not your Father.thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2010,08:45)Hi TT, So till he was GIVEN authority by God he did not have it. So if he was part of a trinity that grouping is uneven and unequal. Of course there is no biblical trinity as he is the Son of God.Haven't I always said that in the days of His flesh Jesus could not act on His own authority? I have always…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 09 2010,08:39)Thinker……..but that authority is limited , it excludes authority over GOD the FATHER, as 1 cor says.  Your constant struggle to try to make Jesus  A GOD is Idolatry and  is the LIE Spoken of in 2Ths2….very dangerous to yourself and anyone else to . IMOGene,No one has ever said that Christ has authority “o…[Read more]

Constitutionalist said:Quote 2. Jesus raises from the dead whomsoever HE WILLS (John 5:21) Read the next verse, 22 “For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:”   The Father gave him the Authority. 26 “For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;”   The Father gave h…[Read more]

Constitutionalist said:Quote Yashuw'ah does NOTHING on his own.TO ALL:The statement above by Constitutionalist is a misrepresentation. Jesus DID (past tense) nothing on His own. He has been exalted since saying that and now does whatever HE WILLS to do.1. Jesus reveals the Father to whomsoever HE WILLS (Matthew 11:27)2. Jesus raises from the dead…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2010,06:43)Hi TT, The Son of God Jesus worked in His father's name but his name was Yahshua, not Yah. Why do you promote a binity when you speak of a trinity and neither are in the scriptures you say you properly exegete?Nick,The Father also acted in Jesus' name.” But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2010,06:43)Hi TT, The Son of God Jesus worked in His father's name but his name was Yahshua, not Yah. Why do you promote a binity when you speak of a trinity and neither are in the scriptures you say you properly exegete?Nick,I prefer the angel's definition of the name “Jesus.”“For you shall call His name Jesus for He…[Read more]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Jan. 09 2010,06:08)Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 08 2010,09:18)JustAskin said:Quote Jesus is equal to God (why is there a distinction in name Jesus/God…?)Justaskin,There is no distinction between the names Jesus and God. The name “Jesus” means “Jehovah saves” and Jehovah is God.“You shall call His name Jesus (Jehovah) for…[Read more]

On another thread ED J said:Quote Hi Thinker,I do appreciate you going into depth explaining your reasoning for your belief. These last two responses of yours to me are what Bible Study are all about.Perhaps as new issues present themselves you will be inclined to indulge(engage) them as well.On this thread ED J said:Quote It seems every time I…[Read more]

Constitutionalist said:Quote Would Yashuw'ah HaMoshiach need to be given authority over all flesh if he were a god?Could a mere man handle such an authority? Let's avoid the rationalistic method to finding truth.thinker

WorshippingJesus said:Quote If they cannot even confess Jesus is their Only Master and Lord then it makes me wonder.TO GENE: Are you able to say from your heart that Jesus Christ is your “Only Master and Lord?” Are you able to sing about Jesus in this way?thinker

WorshippingJesus said:Quote I have heard t8 say he worships Jesus but not as God!I guess t8 will have to answer my question himself. In Revelation 5 Jesus receives worship in the form of song. TO t8: Do you sing songs about Jesus? Or do you dissent from this?thinker

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 09 2010,03:58)Quote (Gene @ Jan. 08 2010,11:24)WJ…….But your not (JUST) saying, Jesus recieved Glory and Honor as GOD does are you?, you are saying He (IS) GOD, big difference.Gene, where does the text say that they worshipped God as God and worshipped the Lamb as the Lamb?That would be Idolatry!The same Glory,…[Read more]

JustAskin said:Quote Jesus is equal to God (why is there a distinction in name Jesus/God…?)Justaskin,There is no distinction between the names Jesus and God. The name “Jesus” means “Jehovah saves” and Jehovah is God.“You shall call His name Jesus (Jehovah) for he shall save HIS people from their sins.” Matthew 1:21The anti-trinitarians will say…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 09 2010,00:53)Welcome JustAskin.This verse says it all.John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Yet when Jude 4 says that Jesus Christ is our “ONLY Master and Lord” the anti-trinitarians say that He is not our “only” Lord. Jesus Christ is called the “ONLY…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote WJ…….But your not (JUST) saying, Jesus recieved Glory and Honor as GOD does are you?, you are saying He (IS) GOD, big difference.Gene,There is no difference.thinker

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 09 2010,02:56)Quote (t8 @ Jan. 08 2010,09:09)They text is not in anyway saying that both are worshipped as God. Rather one as God, and the other as the lamb.And the Lamb recieves the same Glory, Honor, and Power as God!So your point is…?  Yes WJ,The whole context is a song to the Lamb. Every creature in heaven and…[Read more]

Martian said:Quote Being unified in purpose and power are not the same as being one in essence or position or being.Martian,Agreed. If you have followed my posts over the months you would know that I do not invoke John 10:30 as a “proof text” for Christ's divine essence. Christ's unity of essence with the Father is taught elsewhere in scripture.…[Read more]

t8 said:Quote They text is not in anyway saying that both are worshipped as God. Rather one as God, and the other as the lamb.t8,This is feeble man! The One who sits upon the throne and the Lamb are worshiped not for who they are but for the works they have done.The scene begins with the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures singing a…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 09 2010,01:00)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 08 2010,13:30)Jesus also says that we are to believe in him to have eternal life. That is the whole point, they are one and you cannot have one without the other!WJBut in the same sense that Jesus is one with the Father, we can be one with God, Jesus, and each other.John 17:21that all…[Read more]