Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 13 2010,05:11)Hi WJ, So Jesus is given full authority that he hands back to his God.Why does that make him God?Because there is no authority higher than FULL authority. thinker

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 13 2010,02:25)Thinker………Point is the Son is still under the authority of the FATHER, and always will be. The seven Spirits of GOd in him proven he is still under that authority, He will not stray from them, they are GOD'S Spirits at work (IN) HIM. But none the less they are (GOD'S) SPIRITS not his SPIRIT, and these Spirits…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 13 2010,02:25)Thinker………Point is the Son is still under the authority of the FATHER, and always will be. The seven Spirits of GOd in him proven he is still under that authority, He will not stray from them, they are GOD'S Spirits at work (IN) HIM. But none the less they are (GOD'S) SPIRITS not his SPIRIT, and these Spirits…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 13 2010,05:33)TT, I don't seem to be able to find where you have qouted me saying “God and saviour is two not one.” from?JA,I can't find it now either. I copied and pasted from a post somewhere here and I thought it was you. My mistake.thinker

Irene said:Quote Also if the Holy Spirit is the third person of the trinity then He is the Father of Jesus, and that is also false.Irene,Do you really deny that the body of Mary was acted upon by the Holy Spirit and that He caused her to conceive Jesus according to the flesh? The Bible clearly says that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit.This…[Read more]

JustAskin said:Quote God and Savior is two not one.No sir! The Greek construction in Titus 2:13 strongly indicates that “God and Savior” is the Lord Jesus Christ.Furthermore, in Isaiah 43:11 Jehovah said, “Besides Me there is no Savior.”Hebrews 5:9 says that Jesus is the “SOURCE of eternal salvation.”Again, you allow for a plurality of Saviors but…[Read more]

t8,I have no rules except that no others be allowed to post on this thread as you guaranteed on page 25 of the Arain Dissenter's thread. I want to see us both be as concise and to the point as possible. DEBATE BEGINS HERE:On page 21 of the Arain Dissenter's thread you said to WJ:Quote Where is he now and what is he now? Is he God now?I wonder if…[Read more]

Georg said:Quote You probably don't understand this but, there is only one throne that will last for ever and ever, God's throne.Georg,What Bible are you reading? The throne of David is also forever and ever. Georg:Quote You are also overlooking the fact that no one has heard the Fathers voice, the scepter of righteousness is a reference to the…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 12 2010,11:34)Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 12 2010,11:13)TO ALL:I don't need to take much space to show that when a person acts in another person's name it means that the person is acting on the authority of the other person. The works that Jesus did in the days of His flesh were in His Father's name. He plainly said so and He…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 12 2010,11:22)Hi TT, Those joined with Christ work in his name just as he is in God and worked in His name.Thus in Christ we are enjoined with God's work. We are not God and neither is the vineWhat's your point. The Father sent the Spirit on the Son's authority. thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 12 2010,09:50)Hi TT, I serve God in His Son. You should come to the Son of God and find peace with his God.So you don't serve Jesus Christ as your “only Master and Lord? Do I have it right?thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 12 2010,09:24)Hi TT, Jesus was greater than John the Baptist. who he said was the greatest of the prophets.He was indeed uniquely blessed by God with the fullness of the Spirit.Not just “greater” Nick but “so much better” as His name is “MUCH MORE EXCELLENT than the angels” (Heb. 1). His name is “FAR ABOVE all…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 12 2010,09:25)Hi TT, You do not know Who your God is or who is your Lord? Then read 1 Cor 8 and become one of US who do.I asked you if Jesus Christ is YOUR only Master and Lord. Why won't you take a clear and unequivocal stand one way or the other?thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 12 2010,08:49)Hi TT, So Jesus REPRESENTS GOD. That is true as it was true for all the prophets and apostles as well.So why did you think he is God?The apostles and prophets were exalted to the Father's right hand as the only beloved Son? btw, I said that Jesus was God representatively in the least. Please pay…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 12 2010,09:07)Hi TT, You search the scriptures to find misunderstood verses so you can sow the bad seed of trinity?Turn around and serve God.So Jesus is not YOUR only Master and Lord? So “kurios” in Jude 4-5 does morph by incantation?thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 12 2010,08:58)Hi TT, Little word games do not speak of the ways of God.Wake up.Incantations do not change the word of God. Wake up!thinker

WorshippingJesus said to JustAskin:Quote So then how is it that you think Jude suddenly changes the meaning of Lord in verse 4 referring to Jesus to the Father in verse 5?Keith,Here is how it's done. The anti-trinitarians take their magic wands and they stand over the Jude 4-5 scripture and they say, “Abracadabra!”,  and the word “Kurios” which…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 12 2010,08:05)Hi TT, So God gave functional equality to His servant Son?How does that make him another god?It would make Him God representatively in the least.Why do you think Jesus is called “King of kings and Lord of lords” and “only Master and Lord?”thinker

JustAskin said:Quote There is no mystery in “God our Saviour” and “Jesus our Saviour”: God saves through JesusJustAskin,You do not resolve your discrepancy. You still allow for a plurality of saviors when the scriptures are as equally emphatic that there is only one Savior as they are in saying that there is only one God.Deuteronomy 6:4:Hear O…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 09 2010,12:22)thinker………I did not say Jesus did nothing, i said (He) said He could do (NOTHING) of HIMSELF. that is the point Here, you Trinitarians remove GOD the FATHER from that picture and replace Him with Jesus by himself.  That is the POINT>Gene,Show where WJ and I have removed God the Father. We confess that Jesus…[Read more]