ED J said:Quote No; I only want people to take what I say seriously. ED J,I cannot take you seriously. That's why I choose not to discourse with you.thinker

ED J said:Quote No; I only want people to take what I say seriously. ED J,I cannot take you seriously. That's why I choose not to discourse with you.thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,11:32)Hi TT, God is spirit.No kidding? Thanks for the insight Nick!thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,11:32)Hi TT, God is spirit.No kidding? Thanks for the insight Nick!thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,11:25)Hi TT, He gave up his spirit. He was a man. The spirits of men return to God at death. Alive in the Spirit of God he visited the abyssJesus said, “No man has ascended into heaven.” If spirits returned to be with God before Christ's resurrection then there was no need for Christ to die.If you mean that the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,11:25)Hi TT, He gave up his spirit. He was a man. The spirits of men return to God at death. Alive in the Spirit of God he visited the abyssJesus said, “No man has ascended into heaven.” If spirits returned to be with God before Christ's resurrection then there was no need for Christ to die.If you mean that the…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 26 2010,05:05)TT,So are you saying that Jesus died as Man But was alive as God? I'm still not sure you have answered the question?Jesus' spirit went back up to heaven but also went down to hell.Doesn't the rest of 1 Peter 3:18-20 say that it was the Spirit that made him alive and took him down to 'preach to the…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 26 2010,05:05)TT,So are you saying that Jesus died as Man But was alive as God? I'm still not sure you have answered the question?Jesus' spirit went back up to heaven but also went down to hell.Doesn't the rest of 1 Peter 3:18-20 say that it was the Spirit that made him alive and took him down to 'preach to the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,07:36)Hi TT, The spirit of Jesus returned to God when he died as the spirit of all men do.But the faithful anointing Holy Spirit remained in him and he visited those in prison and was raised to life in that Spirit.Nick,The scripture does not say that the spirit of Jesus returned to God. It says that He committed…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,07:36)Hi TT, The spirit of Jesus returned to God when he died as the spirit of all men do.But the faithful anointing Holy Spirit remained in him and he visited those in prison and was raised to life in that Spirit.Nick,The scripture does not say that the spirit of Jesus returned to God. It says that He committed…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,11:01)Hi TT, He was raised by the living Spirit of God Who spoke through him in John.The first man to receive the promise that is now open to you.That's it Nick? You offer no reply to the evidence?thinker

Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 26 2010,04:25)p-l-e-a-s-e,just say:.Quote He died in the flesh but was ALIVE in the spirit in the deep. It was in the spirit that He preached to the spirits in prisonCrickey, that took some doing. Why could you just say that from the beginning.Thank you.Oh, by the way, didn't Jesus say to God: ” 'Into thy hands I commit my…[Read more]

JA,I need to know something. Do you adhere to the ancient Sadducee doctrine that the spirit of man died (or was annihilated)? The spirit went down to sheol to “sleep” or it went down “alive.” But it did not die.This is why the anti-trinitarian argument “God cannot die” is no good. God is spirit and no spirit can die, not even man's spirit. Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 26 2010,03:50)TT,oh, and can you reply very simply to these:Are the dead tormented?Do the dead feel pain?Can the dead Speak?Do the dead need food and drink?I think I have figured out what your problem is. You think of the dead in terms of bodies. Scratch that. It is the spirits of men that went down to sheol (hades)…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 26 2010,02:59)TT,Very Simply then?  As what did Jesus die – God or Man?He was put to death in the flesh and in spirit went down to hades (sheol) ALIVE. He explicitly said that Jonah's being in the belly of the fish was a sign of His death. Jonah was in the belly of the fish ALIVE. This was likened to his being in…[Read more]

JustAskin said:Quote No, I did not see that post and certainly WJ has not said so (that I know of) perhaps I missed it.JA,How did you miss it? You have responded to some of my points in the same post.JA:Quote As for the Rich Man and the Beggar, I have responded and said that this is an Allegory but you are insisting that it is REAL.But you offered…[Read more]

JustAskin said:Quote I was mistaken concerning Jesus and the deade. It was from Eclesiastes: 9:5 'For the living know that they will die but the dead know nothing'  again qualified in 9:10: '… For there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going.'JA,I originally missed this post of yours. The words you provide…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 26 2010,00:37)The answer to the question is a VERY important one in oder to construct a fuller understanding of the Jesus' mission and the ultimate salvation aspect in particular.As what did Jesus Die – God or Man?This question has gone out to WJ originally and he has not yet responded (excuses – er sorry, Reasons, accepted…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 25 2010,01:35)oh and by the way, many bibles read John 2:22 as '…when he WAS raised from the dead…' which is in keeping with ALL other text that state  that it was God Almighty that raised him from the dead.JA,First, the verb ἠγέρθη in John 2:22 is intransitive and may be translated as “he has risen” (active) or “he…[Read more]

JuatAskin said:Quote TT says that Jesus didn't die but went down to Sheol alive but has not presented any evidence as to how he came to this conclusion and, frankly, has anyone ever heard this before?pI certainly did say that Jesus died but in the same way the rich man and Lazarus died. They went down to hades ALIVE. The word “to die” often means…[Read more]