Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 28 2010,15:05)Hi TT, 450 ANISTEMI has many meanings. But you have hijacked it mean to raise oneself?He claimed to be able to do nothing by himself but you disagree?The voice of the verb is middle Nick. I gave the link and I gave the textbook function of the middle voice. I believe EVERYTHING the scripture says.Your denial…[Read more]

Marty said:Quote Who said that his body ceased to exist.  His body was in the tomb or sheol which is the grave.His spirit went to God.Okay now you really got me confused. Earlier you said that you believe the “cease to exist” definition. If the body continues to exist in the grave and the spirit goes to God, then what is it that ceases to…[Read more]

TO ALL:In Mark 9:31 and 10:34 Jesus said that the son of Man “shall rise.” In the Greek new testament the verb is written in the middle voice which means that the subject is acting upon Himself. The two verses would literally read, “He shall raise Himself again.”I will provide the link for you to view this for yourself. After you get on the site…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 28 2010,13:09)Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,12:14)Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:47)Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,11:35)Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:30)Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,11:04)Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,09:48)Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45)thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,12:06)Thinker …….They are true in a (allegorical) sense, not saying they are not. Do you honestly think a person is there in some real fire called Hell, and in torment and asking Abraham to send Lazarus who literally sits in his bosom to go get him some water.  Where did i say the story was not true to life, it give…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:47)Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,11:35)Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:30)Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,11:04)Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,09:48)Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45)thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,10:02)Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,09:41)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 28 2010,09:24)Hi TT, Many men thought they saw or spoke with God when they met with his spiritsAre you saying that Jacob was wrong?So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” Gen…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,10:02)Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,09:41)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 28 2010,09:24)Hi TT, Many men thought they saw or spoke with God when they met with his spiritsAre you saying that Jacob was wrong?So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” Gen…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2010,11:10)TTyes you right Jesus say that ,and in another place he also said ,that he give his live willingly and he will take it back ;Jn 10:17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again.so that ok it still his father who does it for him not himself,you are a twister.t,Read your p…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:30)Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,11:04)Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,09:48)Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45)thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again.   “WHEN A MAN…[Read more]

EdWorshippingJesus said to ED J:Quote No you think about it. I offered to engage you one on one in the debates thread so we could have more control in what questions we do ask, but you said no to this.You engage me in this thread and then when the dialogue gets difficult for you then you want to change the rules.It is seems to me you are not…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,09:57)Thinker……….Jodi see it the same as i, and your taking a Metaphor and transposing to to a literial circumstance is not right.  Lazarus and the rich man is not a literial story. Its a Metaphor. The bosom of Abraham is reflective of GOD the FATHER preserving Lazarus and the Rich man was in a condition of…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,09:48)Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45)thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again.   “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 28 2010,09:24)Hi TT, Many men thought they saw or spoke with God when they met with his spiritsAre you saying that Jacob was wrong?So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” Genesis 32:30Are you saying that spirits could take human form and not God who is…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 28 2010,09:24)Hi TT, Many men thought they saw or spoke with God when they met with his spiritsAre you saying that Jacob was wrong?So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” Genesis 32:30Are you saying that spirits could take human form and not God who is…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,09:22)Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,08:59)Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45)thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again.   “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN…[Read more]

Jodi lee said:Quote Scripture says that no one has ascended to heaven, not even David. As well, the dead as scripture clearly states CANNOT praise God, they have NO MEMORY, they are spoken of as being ASLEEP.Jodi Lee,First, how “pathetic” that you come in the middle of a discourse and attribute words to me that I never said. I NEVER said that any…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45)thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again.   “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not alive when he died or else he was…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45)thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again.   “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not alive when he died or else he was…[Read more]

Gene said:Quote thinker……Really so now we are to believe your deluded version of GOD being made flesh and blood. Interesting Jesus said no one have seen GOD, and John said no one has (EVER) seen GOD, and again “flesh and blood can (NOT) enter into the Kingdom of GOD” but then the TRINITARIANS HAVE it right.  Now that is hog wash thinker. Your…[Read more]