Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 12 2010,05:14)Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 11 2010,12:49)I am a little surprised that a man of your learning must be taught that the first part of the “Lord's prayer” is doxological.thinkerJackWhy the Patronizing remark?I haven't even discussed the Lords Prayer. Are you trying to say that Jesus did not have the free will…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 12 2010,05:34)Hi TT, You have no scriptural basis and rely on greek logic so why would you call others philosophers?Nick,So you reject that John 10:17-18 is scripture? Are you saying that you believe that the Jesus who appeared after the resurrection is not the SAME Jesus that was crucified?thinker

David:Quote Thinker, you do know that you are not “the exact same you” that existed a few years ago, or even a few weeks ago.I used to be a member of an infamous Chicago street gang back in the 1960's. I am not the same person I was back then.   But I still have both the memories and the scars in my body from gangbanging. I did not mystically and…[Read more]

David said:Quote Well, The Father didn't die, the Son did.  Someone had to resurrect the Son.  If the Son resurrected himself, then in what sense was he dead?  And if he didn't actually give up his life, then how was the Ransom paid?David,See the thread I started “Did Jesus raise Himself from the dead?” In that thread I discuss the sense in…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Feb. 11 2010,11:27)WJ………Who says that we are not held responsible for our actions, Your not getting it, If our wills drive us to commit a crime or sin of any kind that is US that did It, But a so-called “FREE WILL” has nothing to do with it, it was a (CAPTIVATED WILL) that committed that sin our Wills are held captive by what…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said to Gene:Quote Why did Jesus waste words when he said “Not my will but thine be done” since Gods will would be done anyway?Keith,The “Lord's prayer” can be divided into doxology and petition. All from “our Father which art in heaven” to “thy will be done” is doxology. It is an acknowledgment.All from “give us this day our…[Read more]

WJ said to JA:Quote You do not have to believe what I or Jack or anybody says here, that is your right, but your constant insistence that only you are right, and your accusations and condemnation and name calling, is more typical of one that is desperate!Exactly! All JA has in his arsenal is accusations because he has no arguments.thinker

Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 12 2010,00:18)TT,Your ignorance doesn't surprise me. It is WJ who is getting desparate to prove the unproveable.It is absolutely obvious that 'KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS' is an emphatic reference to 'King of kings and Lord of lords'Look at the joiner 'AND', why is that capitalised?Why are All the letters capatilised,…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 12 2010,00:18)TT,Your ignorance doesn't surprise me. It is WJ who is getting desparate to prove the unproveable.It is absolutely obvious that 'KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS' is an emphatic reference to 'King of kings and Lord of lords'Look at the joiner 'AND', why is that capitalised?Why are All the letters capatilised,…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Feb. 11 2010,17:22)Quote You anti-trinitarians are not seasoned thinkers. I ask again: Can God give such love that He Himself cannot do?Hi.Could you rephrase the question in some kind of proper English?Also, regardless of whether “man” is in that verse, even if you understand it this way:“Greater love has none than this, that he lay…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 11 2010,06:42)Hi TT, Jesus told us to love one another as he loved us. We are not God so why does his love make him his own God?Nick,You did not answer the question because you cannot answer it. All love comes from God. Jesus loved with a love which anti-trinitarians say that God cannot do. How can God give love which He…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 11 2010,10:32)WJ,Why do you take this text and offer it as 'proof'.This no proof.This is a TITLE. A label. A banner. It is a SHOUT!!!You know full well what this means.'King of kings and Lord of lords'… 'King' over all kings of the earth and 'Lord' over all Lords of the earth.O mighty one, even you are overreaching…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 11 2010,06:40)Hi TT, You ignore the elephant in the room again. God was in Christ.Half truths Nick. Jesus IS the Good Shepherd.thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 11 2010,06:40)Hi TT, You ignore the elephant in the room again. God was in Christ.Half truths Nick. Jesus IS the Good Shepherd.thinker

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 11 2010,05:17)Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 10 2010,12:26)WorshippingJesus said:Quote I can freely choose to walk in the Spirit or not to!Keith,You are always led by the Spirit or you are not a son of God. You cannot resist the Spirit unless He allows it. But you are still accountable.thinkerJackIf I am always led by the…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote I can freely choose to walk in the Spirit or not to!Keith,You are always led by the Spirit or you are not a son of God. You cannot resist the Spirit unless He allows it. But you are still accountable.thinker

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 11 2010,03:31)Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 10 2010,11:20)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2010,09:58)Hi WJ, Indeed Jesus perfectly showed God in nature and power. God was in himBut God Himself could not love the way Jesus did. The greatest love is to lay down one's own life for another which you say God cannot do. Ergo,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 11 2010,03:31)Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 10 2010,11:20)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2010,09:58)Hi WJ, Indeed Jesus perfectly showed God in nature and power. God was in himBut God Himself could not love the way Jesus did. The greatest love is to lay down one's own life for another which you say God cannot do. Ergo,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 11 2010,03:31)Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 10 2010,11:20)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2010,09:58)Hi WJ, Indeed Jesus perfectly showed God in nature and power. God was in himBut God Himself could not love the way Jesus did. The greatest love is to lay down one's own life for another which you say God cannot do. Ergo,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 11 2010,03:31)Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 10 2010,11:20)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2010,09:58)Hi WJ, Indeed Jesus perfectly showed God in nature and power. God was in himBut God Himself could not love the way Jesus did. The greatest love is to lay down one's own life for another which you say God cannot do. Ergo,…[Read more]