Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 16 2010,07:19)Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 15 2010,15:11)Either God is saying that Yeshua is the greatest of Creation (which excludes YHWH, because he isn't created)…IgorJesus is also excluded from creation…All things came into being through Him, and “**APART FROM HIM NOTHING CAME INTO BEING** that has come into…[Read more]

Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 16 2010,07:30)Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 16 2010,08:09)Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 16 2010,07:05)TT, Quote houtos1) this, these, etc.Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 356AV — this 157, these 59, he 31, the same 28, this man 25, she 12, they 10, misc 34“This (Jesus Christ) is the true God and eternal life.” So…[Read more]

Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 16 2010,07:11)Well at this moment I'm thinking of two things, Thinker,Either God is saying that Yeshua is the greatest of Creation (which excludes YHWH, because he isn't created)… or the vers is mistranslated and should be, will require a bit of further studying. God is your throne forever and everIt says nothing about…[Read more]

Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 16 2010,07:05)TT, Quote houtos1) this, these, etc.Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 356AV — this 157, these 59, he 31, the same 28, this man 25, she 12, they 10, misc 34“This (Jesus Christ) is the true God and eternal life.” So what's your point?thinker

Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 16 2010,06:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 16 2010,07:55)Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 15 2010,14:43)And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his…[Read more]

Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 16 2010,06:43)And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.and WE are in HIM that is…[Read more]

Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 16 2010,06:43)And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.and WE are in HIM that is…[Read more]

Quote (katjo @ Feb. 16 2010,06:29)ED, The “Right Hand” is only figurative/symbolic and not literal.Right hand means power and authority. The term “right hand” is not referring to position or location but the power When Jesus became our final sacrifice, He at the same time being the high priest, forever sat down as God ending all sacrifices. Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 16 2010,06:21)oww.. TT I was just showing that HOTHEOS isn't in all cases about the Almighty God, YHWH.But what did the Father mean when He addressed His Son as “HOTHEOS” (Hebrews 1:8)?thinker

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 16 2010,05:58)Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 15 2010,13:49)igor said:Quote 1 John 5:20 (KJV) seems to be about context, he is revering back to John 4 and 5:WOW! SUPER LAME! Igor skips back over several verses.In verses 13-15 John said that he wrote his epistle in order that thye might believe in the name of the Son of God.…[Read more]

Igor said:Quote Wasn't Satan also called HOTHEOS of this world? But, in most and almost all cases HOTHEOS is about God Almighty.So satan is a true hotheos now? thinker

Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 16 2010,05:47)Hi TT,I just had a quick look.. but didn't see HOTHEOS in Hebrews 1:8.. might be that I looked wrong. Wasn't Satan also called HOTHEOS of this world? But, in most and almost all cases HOTHEOS is about God Almighty.igor,I give the Greek text with the definite article in red bold;8 πρὸς δὲ τὸν υἱόν, ὁ θρόνος…[Read more]

igor said:Quote 1 John 5:20 (KJV) seems to be about context, he is revering back to John 4 and 5:WOW! SUPER LAME! Igor skips back over several verses.In verses 13-15 John said that he wrote his epistle in order that they might believe in the name of the Son of God. He said that we show our confidence in the Son of God by praying to Him expecting…[Read more]

Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 16 2010,05:19)haha TT I guess i think differently towards the word 'god'? When humans and angels can be called gods in a non-negative way and it is shown by scripture that it's meaning is of someone with authority/power/etc..  then I don't see a problem when Yeshua is called god/powerful?Anti-trinitarians argue that if…[Read more]

igor said:Quote 2 Peter 1:1-2 (KJV)Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,I see a distinction between Jesus and God here. It…[Read more]

Igor said:Quote Rom 9:5 (KJV)Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.Many translations render it that way… of course that isn't the reason why it is right, but it makes it more likely.Lame! What difference does it make? thinker

Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 16 2010,05:04)TT, didn't I already reply to that?igor,My mistake. You did offer a lame reply like the lame reply below You said:Quote Hmm let's try…:)In the Greek (that was used) New Testament there aren't any upper or lower case letters used as far as I know. So the word 'god' (=theos), could just as easily be translated…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 15 2010,19:36)Quote (katjo @ Feb. 15 2010,13:48)He humbled Himself to become man. Partially left that position(G0D)  when He came in the flesh. Thats what He is teaching you in parrables, about the Father, so at the time the Father role was greater, but when He accomplished what he came to do He than returned to the glory…[Read more]

Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 15 2010,08:53)Hi everyone!TT, I think we answered quit a bit of those passages. ;)I'm wondering what is your opinion of these?Acts 3:13-14The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 16 2010,04:36)CA-TT-WJi mention WJ because it will not be to long he would show up,it is to make the circle complete or almost complete ,there will be another repetition of the same quotes all over again.yak yak yak thinker