Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 18 2010,14:25)thinkerNo, it shows how little you understand of what is being talked about.God made a covenant with Israel, the nation. She, the nation, was the church in the wilderness; you know that the church is also referred to as a woman, as the bride of Christ.The Son, not yet called Jesus in the OT, was the husband.…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2010,14:12)Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 18 2010,02:22)THE TESTATOR DEFINED: The Testator is the person who makes the covenant.God is the Testator: 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the <…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 18 2010,13:19)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 18 2010,10:08)Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 17 2010,17:49)There is not a single hint nor suggestion that anyone (including Matthew) of them thought that Jesus was God – or a God of any sort.JAWhy did John write John 1:1? Of course his enemys didn't think that Jesus was God, yet they…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 18 2010,10:25)WJ,I see that all your trinitarians 'proofs' have come down to one verse: John 1:1!LIE! See WJ's impressive list of verses on page 31 of this thread. When JA has no arguments he either engages in name calling or lies about things.I call JA to sincerity and step up and admit that by his own definition of…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 18 2010,08:11)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 17 2010,16:10)Hi WJ, They knew from Ps2 the unusual nature of God's Son given full authority on earth to work as God's agent.  They should have known from the same verses that he was not that God. Do you?NHAre you calling John a liar?He is the one that narrated Jesus being…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 18 2010,07:32)Hi CA, The apostasy came first and the catholic church is the first bad fruit.No Nick! Those who deny that Jesus is our only Master and Lord are the first bad fruit (Jude4-5). The Catholics do not deny that Jesus is our only Master and Lord. The Jewish apostates were the “whore” and the Arains are their…[Read more]

Quote (CatholicApologist @ Feb. 18 2010,07:09)Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 18 2010,06:12)Quote (CatholicApologist @ Feb. 18 2010,05:26)Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 17 2010,20:00)CAYou ignored Hebrews 6:1-6 which I provided.Repentance and faith toward God is not a requisite for new covenant salvation. Even your own Tertullian said this, “God must be…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 18 2010,06:39)Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 17 2010,14:03)Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 18 2010,05:55)TT,”Praise, Honor and Glorify God and Christ””Worship God alone”What have I written that is ambiguous or profits your claims?JA,Here is YOUR OWN definition of worship:“Worship is the giving over of oneself entirely to another,…[Read more]

Quote (CatholicApologist @ Feb. 18 2010,05:26)Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 17 2010,20:00)CAYou ignored Hebrews 6:1-6 which I provided.Repentance and faith toward God is not a requisite for new covenant salvation. Even your own Tertullian said this, “God must be believed on in His own dispensation.”In the new covenant dispensation we must believe in…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 18 2010,05:55)TT,”Praise, Honor and Glorify God and Christ””Worship God alone”What have I written that is ambiguous or profits your claims?JA,Here is YOUR OWN definition of worship:“Worship is the giving over of oneself entirely to another, complete selflessness and absolute servitude – a Sacrifice – literally giving your…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 18 2010,05:46)TT,What are you babbling on about.”Honor is Worship”? Come on – are you for real? How many times are MEN Honored on a daily basis all over the world.They must be some crazy lot of Worshipping going on World wide – Can one Honor the Pope (q? to Catholics), Can you honor their parents, can one honor their spouse…[Read more]

FROM THE “MOST HIGH GOD” THREAD:WorshippingJesus said:Quote It doesn't say we worship you God and we praise you Son of God! They are praising and worshipping both the Father and the Son simultaneously!Amen brother! It says that “every creature in heaven and in earth and under the earth” give glory and honor to the Father and the Lamb. Oh, wait a…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus said:Quote It doesn't say we worship you God and we praise you Son of God! They are praising and worshipping both the Father and the Son simultaneously!Amen brother! It says that “every creature in heaven and in earth and under the earth” give glory and honor to the Father and the Lamb. Oh, wait a minute…maybe the Bible is…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 18 2010,05:14)WJ,Honor is not worship. even man can be, and is,  honored.Try again.Honor is worship if it is given to Jesus “EVEN AS” it is given to the Father. The degree to which you honor the Son is the degree to which you honor the Father.Psalm 2:12 Honor the Son, lest He be angry,         And you perish in the way,…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 18 2010,04:40)TT,your desparation to make a claim on me is futile:What is “The Sake of Christ”?It is to do the WILL OF GOD his Father and Our Father…Please…. try something else or back off…JA,You just ain't owning up to what you said and the implications. Jesus said “FOR MY sake.” By YOUR OWN definition of worship you…[Read more]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 18 2010,04:26)ththinker!  When it says that the Father God is above all, don't you believe so?  When it says that, there is none other LORD God beside Him, don't you believe that?  When it says that the Holy Spirit is the Father God's Spirit don't you believe that?  The Holy Spirit is not the third Person of the tri…[Read more]

JustAskin said:Quote Worship is the giving over of oneself entirely to another, complete selflessness and absolute servitude – a Sacrifice – literally giving your life (Spirit) for use by another – and for this reason God disapproves of such acts – because ONLY HE should you give over yourself to in such a way – It was HE who gave you life and…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 18 2010,03:24)TT,From under which rock have you crawled?That's it! That's all you got?thinker

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2010,07:28)Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 09 2010,05:23)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2010,05:19)Hi TT,YHWH was in YAHSHUA.Nick,You're not even on the same wave length with ED J and myself. He says that the name “kurios” ALWAYS means simply “an owner.” Yet Matthew substitutes the name YHVH with the name “Kurios.”This fact destroys…[Read more]

FROM THE SCRIPTURE AND BIBLICAL DOCTRINE FORUM:JustAskin said:Quote If you worship Jesus because you think you are worshipping God THEN you are making Jesus into an IDOL.JA,You dissent from the rest of the creation. Revelation 5:13 says that every creature in heaven and in earth and under the earth worships the Lamb with the Father:13 And every…[Read more]