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@kerwin,

Hi kerwin,

Yes we know what you are saying, we are just pointing out that the technologies being perfected are good examples to the likely technologies to be used which match the mark of the beast narrative of “IN” the right hand etc.

Those words spoken over 2000 years ago can be seen taking shape today through technologies which really do get put “IN” a person .. that is a direct correlation to Christ’s warning about a “mark” used for trading which gets put “IN” men too .. we are also aware that the chip will likely be multi functional, that is, not just for trading but for a host of features .. it is just that the trading side of it’s use scripturally reveals the main purpose for this mark .. and he who controls the money controls the world, and it will be a control like never before .. a control directly and personally imbedded into every individual on earth for “full spectrum” dominance on the most effective level .. the individual level.

One can imagine them salivating at the mere thought of this triumph.

We are also aware that it is only when the false prophet arrives that the mark will be enforced .. will it be the rfid by then? NOT likely in it’s current format, more likely the perfected model will be ready when he appears onto the scene .. it wouldn’t take much to replace those who already have a rfid under their skin with the new model .. again, it is the direct correlation to the prophecy as to WHY these chips are being focussed on.

Regards.

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@Grasshopper,

Read the WHOLE STATEMENT I made AGAIN (tsk tsk tsk) .. and you will see the word LEARNT mentioned several times!!

We did not LEARN SCRIPTURE from Google searches, DVD’S, churches etc etc etc.

WE did not LEARN that way .. LEARN .. LEARN .. LEARN.

SO now I have honestly answered you, please honestly answer me ..

Do prophecies only occur in the minds of men or do they occur in the real world?

I am still waiting.

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@Grasshopper,

Read the exact wording in my statements before I asked that question to you and you will see that there is no hypocrisy at all .. and that you only saw what you wanted to see whilst burning in your hatred.

What does it say about opening one’s mouth before hearing (understanding) a matter?

THEN, if you are competent enough to HEAR those words, THEN kindly answer my question:

Do prophecies only occur in the minds of men or do they occur in the real world?

I am waiting, so don’t try dodging it again okay.

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@Grasshopper

Do prophecies only occur in the minds of men or do they occur in the real world?

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Terra,

If we FEED on the scriptures THEY become ONE with us WITHIN us .. if you can not RETAIN those living WORDS within you, then your body is REJECTING either part or all of them, so your analogy is flawed.

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Terra,

In the English language, when one is accused of having doctrines of men, it does NOT mean it is his individual understanding being questioned, BUT INSTEAD it is implied that his understanding is TAKEN from OTHER MENS IDEAS & CHURCHES & BOOKS etc etc etc and are NOT his own understanding.

This should be the same meaning in YOUR language no?

So accusing us of this “mens doctrines” garbage whilst YOU and OTHERS are actually the ones doing it is really tiring.

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@Terraricca,

J42/Wakeup

first all the things you have said in the past 3 or 4 years are all either not supported in scriptures or pure men made opinions rap up with a scriptures quote ,like suker around a biter candy ,

you still have to show that you have understood the mike knowledge ,you still in to following the flesh

How ironic.

YOUR beliefs are a collection of “part of this doctrine, part of that doctrine, and practically ZERO of your own understanding”.

Whereas we ONLY learnt from the scriptures OURSELVES with NO outside influences AT ALL.

How many of you here can match this dedication?

EVERYTHING we say comes from WITHIN us .. not one shred of any other mans doctrines, NEVER needing to Google ANYTHING .. NO learning from DVD’s NO learning from churches NO learning from books NO sneaky cut & pasting pretending it is our own .. NOTHING .. we can speak on EVERY SUBJECT in the scriptures OURSELVES .. OH and all this knowledge from just ONE BOOK .. NOT 20+ contradictory books like so many of you do!!

MATCH that if you can .. you can NOT .. YOU and OTHERS feed on every other MANS ideas TRYING to understand .. you read books & Google subjects & cut and paste & take from churches & learn from DVD’s .. so WHO really holds MENS doctrines??

NOT US.

And here is why you all hate us .. the spirit within you all knows this even though you yourselves personally DO NOT.

And one more TRUTH .. NONE of “us” hate any of you .. but are hated instead.

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@Grasshopper

Read Jeremiah chapter 44

Notice how as soon as the message is not to their liking, the accusations spew forth .. again!!

And look at you all .. scriptural enemies (because none of you agree with each other anyway) banding together to resist a message that not only none of you can discredit / disprove, but a message that none of you like either!! ..

.. “the enemy of my enemy” ..

And this temporary truce you all have entered into, this corresponds with a theme all throughout both Testaments in the scriptures .. the divided MANY always and ONLY band together when fighting against those speaking the TRUTH.

Is it hatred of the message or jealousy that you yourselves have been denied this understanding?

The key is to live the gospels, and those who do ARE rewarded understanding on ALL things.

Understanding also on discerning what manner of spirit dwells in those who claim to know God but in fact know very little except speculations and the perfecting of accusing others.

Very telling indeed.

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Pierre,

TRUTH his truth and truth is found in scriptures if you believe the scriptures ,we Mike and I and t8 told you many times over the past years that it is so according to scriptures but you seem to like to interpreting scriptures in your own way ,and blame the others to not following you ,

I have over 20 bibles in paper and more on my computer ,the NWT is but only one little one of them ,you should rather considering to more deeply seek the truth just as it is written in scriptures and stop from putting your words into God’s truth ,the real truth will appear to you,

That is so sad.

If God intended His written word needed to be understood by NEEDING 20+ different and conflicting bibles, then God would have done it Himself .. BUT He did NOT do this .. MEN did .. since God is NOT the author of confusion!!

We have tried to warn you to no avail .. and thus the real truth of the new song will never be known to you and millions of likeminded individuals who have scoffed at Gods promise, with or without realising ..you have made FLESH your RIGHT ARM .. and woe to any man says God who does this thing!!

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Hi Cam,

Exodus 13:9
This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that this law of the LORD is to be on your lips. For the LORD brought you out of Egypt with his mighty hand.

Exodus 13:16
So it shall serve as a sign on your hand and as phylacteries on your forehead, for with a powerful hand the LORD brought us out of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 6:8
Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.

Deuteronomy 11:18
Fix these words of mine in your hearts and minds; tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.

I know these scriptures too and have seen these used this way before.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the mark of the beast at all .. there is no relationship whatsoever between the SELF EXPLAINED METAPHORS God used concerning the personal effort in the keeping of His laws .. compared with the LITERAL and NON METAPHORIC narrative EXPLAINING the mark of the beast and it’s INTENDED PHYSICAL USEAGE coming from SATAN through his false prophet.

Totally unrelated.

Regards..

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Terra,

hi Grasshopper

yeah that counts for 98% of the world population and the 3/4 of the earth ,

some have no truth in them and so just follow the religion stream ,and do not understand scriptures truth

Your presumption is as groundless and erroneous as it is blind.

You do not know WHERE we learnt from, or HOW we learnt but PRESUME blindly and arrogantly.

Don’t you understand even now in your 70’s how Satan operates?

Satan takes important (foundational Christian tenets) and divides them into groups .. then he does the same to prophecies, dividing them into groups ..

THEN he forms “Christian” group (denominations) after “Christian” group around those truths to DISCREDIT those truths!!

And how does he achieve this?

He lets them get parts of the truth RIGHT (sometimes even the whole interpretation is right on a subject) but makes damn sure the rest of their doctrinal OR prophetic interpretations are utterly “out there with the fairies” or just obviously wrong to other “Christian” groups (doing the same things themselves) so as to UNDERMINE anybody daring to agree with correct interpretations because of the negative associations that SATAN has associated with those TRUTHS .. or he can do this example back to front!! (I’m hoping you can think critically and work out all the different WAYS this ONE EXAMPLE can be achieved)

It’s called divide and conquer .. haven’t you worked this out YET??

So whenever a CRITICAL prophetic TRUTH is put forth, all those CORRUPTED churches who have PARTS of those TRUTHS divided by measure amongst themselves .. PARTS of TRUTH per church remember.. well, those truths are instantly UNDERMINED and REJECTED BY ASSOCIATION by UNAWARE people like YOU who can not SEE what Satan has done and DOES still.

YOU are wrong about “us” .. very wrong.

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Grasshopper,

Terra said:

all the poor in every country does not have a bank card,

they not even have a bank account

You said:

EXCELLENT POINT!

NOT an excellent point at all.

What some people don’t seem to grasp is that the false prophet is going to bring in a NEW SYSTEM .. a restructured GLOBAL system.

That means a NEW SYSTEM for ALL the poor countries in the world too .. a NEW SYSTEM for EVERYBODY ON EARTH .. HELLO!!

A NEW SYSTEM is NOT the same as THIS SYSTEM we have now .. don’t some of you here keep track of what the GLOBAL think tanks and GLOBAL TRENDSETTERS (mouthpieces for the global ELITE) have been saying?

Don’t you obey Christ and practice what He told us to do.. TO WATCH? .. watch not just the signs in the earth, but watch the signs amongst the ENEMY, the SIGNS within their plans? .. whose SIGNS concern the coming mark of the beast?

Don’t some here comprehend that when these GLOBALIST MOUTHPIECES “suggest” .. these “suggestions” ALWAYS seem to become NATIONAL POLICIES in these last days?

And WHAT have THEY been saying?

They say “we” need to begin thinking about REDISTRIBUTING the GLOBALLY LOPSIDED and BIASED WEALTH STREAMS enjoyed by the “developed nations” and start REDIRECTING those money streams to INVEST in building INFRASTRUCTURE for JOB CREATION ETC for ALL “3rd world” countries (poor) around the WORLD in the interest of HUMAN RIGHTS and FAIRNESS for ALL.

Of course in reality it is all about GLOBAL ENSLAVEMENT .. these “people” have no souls, they don’t care about the “cattle”, they care about CONTROL, TRUE CONTROL is NOT just on a national level (binding national agreements etc), but TRUE CONTROL of the personal / INDIVIDUAL type level .. other words, GLOBAL ENSLAVEMENT of EVERY man woman and child on this planet!!

Where do you think all this public SURVEILLANCE (camera’s and camera’s and more camera’s) we see RAPIDLY INCREASING all around us is leading?

Can’t you comprehend the PERSONAL (individual) NATURE of this campaign of RAPIDLY EXPANDING PUBLIC SURVEILLANCE in more and more nations daily and GLOBALLY?

They want total control over EVERY possible THREAT to “THEIR” coming ” utopia” .. and those “threats” they are concentrating on are YOU & ME!!

COMPLY or DIE will be the policy.

So no, Terra made NO “excellent point” but instead showed his total lack of understanding of not only the ENEMY and their PLANS (the ENEMY who are really unknowingly FULFILLING GOD’S PLAN) .. and God’s prophetic word.

Maybe if people began realising that these prophecies are NOT just confined to theological debates in classrooms, forums, or between brethren etc, but are actually events for the REAL WORLD, then MAYBE they will begin WATCHING as Christ advised, and then MAYBE, just MAYBE they will start to SEE it’s dark tentacles taking shape all around us .. but knowing God’s word as I do .. I KNOW it won’t happen UNTIL the SWORD is against your very throats .. only THEN will you all wake up from your slumber .. but will it be too late by then?

Only God knows which of you it will be too late for.

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Hi Cam,

I understand, I will respect that you don’t wish to continue this debate, join in again when you do ..

Kind regards ..

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CONTINUED ..

Oh .. and Cam ..

Remember how Christ IS RIGHT NOW sitting at God’s right hand (by commandment FROM the Father) & IN His Father’s throne (room), COMMANDED to SIT & WAIT UNTIL God makes His enemies His footstool .. well ..

Isaiah 42:14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.

This also goes against your argument of Christ ruling in His kingdom even now ..

Because SITTING STILL and REFRAINING ONESELF is NOT .. IS NOT .. NOT IN ANY WAY THE SAME AS THIS:

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Ruling with a ROD of IRON means SWIFT and IMMEDIATE punishment .. NOT refraining and sitting still ..

One would only REFRAIN and SIT STILL if this was commanded them:

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Which also goes against your view yet harmonizes perfectly with “ours”.

Please think long & hard on this, nobody likes being deceived.

God bless.

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Hi Cam,

‘All power and authority has been given to me in Heaven and on Earth.’ Do you not call that ruling?

Of course Jesus has been given ALL authority .. you do realise that this viewpoint is nothing more than a contradiction right?

Don’t you realise that DURING all THIS TIME that Satan has been ruling .. every single second of it .. that ALL the POWER & AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN & ON EARTH has ALWAYS .. ALWAYS .. always been WITH GOD every single step of the way?? .. you do realise this yes?

YET .. Satan has been ruling!!

Does this take away God’s POWER & AUTHORITY?

Of course not!!

You do know the difference between a husbandman and a owner yes?

Don’t confuse #1- the kingdom (even still today) being in the hands of husbandmen, opposed to it’s future being #2- under direct (hands on) control of Christ!

Do not confuse THAT subject with the separate subject of #3- Satan’s allotted time rule over the EARTH #4- UNTIL Christ returns to take hands on control over BOTH the vineyard AND the Earth after locking up the prince of this world (terminating said “leaseholder’s” claim).

Again, do you not call that ruling?

‘when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet.’

Context please .. Sit Thou at My right hand UNTIL .. “I” .. MAKE .. “YOUR”.. ENEMIES .. “YOUR” .. FOOTSTOOL.

God is doing it!!

So HOW can Christ be directly ruling in His millennial kingdom when He was commanded to SIT AND WAIT (at ascension) UNTIL GOD HIMSELF made His SON’S enemies “His” FOOTSTOOL??

Simple answer is .. He can’t.

He can’t be DIRECTLY ruling it YET even though He does HAVE ALL AUTHORITY over it because SATAN’S “LEASE” Isn’t UP YET.

Thus, when Christ RETURNS, the footstool will be ready .. Satan’s “LEASE” will have expired and THEN He will take direct control over the Vineyard (which is right now STILL in the hands of men) AND the Earth.

UNTIL then .. He is SITTING IN HIS FATHER’S THRONE (room) .. NOT in HIS INHERITED WORLDLY KINGDOM on HIS OWN THRONE of GLORY.

Just because Satan is still ruling in no way takes away from the FACT that the OWNER (God) IS and ALWAYS WAS and ALWAYS WILL BE in COMPLETE AUTHORITY.

Cam, I am not being disrespectful to YOU, but that whole doctrine’s argument is null and void .. like I said .. it is a CONTRADICTION against what is ALREADY taking place in the REAL & OBSERVABLE WORLD!!

Just because Satan has AUTHORITY on earth doesn’t mean that there isn’t a higher POWER in AUTHORITY above him .. which there is .. God & His Christ!

Come out of them Cam, do not let them deceive you any more than they have, look at the basic error they have made!! How can you trust their “solids” when even their “milk” is “curdled” ?

I have given you a brotherly warning .. their error exposed .. trust in your own learning capabilities THROUGH the Holy Spirit & let the dead bury their own .. do not let them bury you too.

Thanks Cam.

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Hi Nick,

There is no confusion here .. don’t mix the TWO examples up ..

ONE was DESCRIBING a PHYSICAL OBSERVATION .. the bones were VERY DRY

The other was not ..

TWO different subjects all together.

Which one are you questioning?

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Hi Nick,

Are you sure this is a literal resurrection?

Our bones are dry, our hope is lost “THEY SAY”

Our bones are dry = like corpses, like corpses with no future, all that will remain are dry old bones.

Hence: “our hope is lost” = no future.

And when Ezekiel saw the bones, they were dry indeed .. but God turned the lament around.

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Hi T8,

You would have noticed that I answered your question.

Now I have a question ..

You said that Gog and Magog’s army could quite easily be before Armageddon ..

I provided the scriptures about the weapons being of wood, how the forests won’t be used for wood whilst the supply of weapons were used up ..

Do you disagree?

T8, Since the weapons are WOOD because Israel has no need for taking WOOD out of the forests WHILST the weapon supply remains (for 7 years), and modern weapons have NO WOOD in them ..

Then anyone saying this Gog & Magog battle is before the 2nd coming is basically saying without realizing it, that modern Israel is going to be attacked by an army of horse riding & shield & spear wielding horde!!

It just doesn’t fit .. but fits snugly in a world AFTER Christ has returned where modern technology is no more ..

You do acknowledge that the false prophet and his armies actually MAKE it INTO Israel .. even RULING over Israel for 3 1/2 years BUT Gog’s armies NEVER even make it beyond the outlaying boundaries of the camp (outside the cities “walls”) .. how can this no brainer be ignored?

Dude, that is a game changer in anybody’s language!!

Didn’t you say if the differences were there you would change views?

T8, there ARE significant differences that even unbelievers would acknowledge as irreconcilable .. why are you hardening your heart?

It is a beautiful plan God is going to bring to pass .. acknowledge it & rejoice with us.

We are not your enemy.

Cheers T8.

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Good post Wakeup ..

I think it’s my turn to be ridiculed, so I will explain this time 🙂

Ezekiel 37:1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

The valley is not a real valley, Israel’s bones are worldwide not just in one valley, the valley is a metaphor.

Ezekiel 37:2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.

These bones are old (very dry)

Ezekiel 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.

Nothing is too hard for God

Ezekiel 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.

”Prophecy unto these bones” .. future event

Ezekiel 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

God will do it

Ezekiel 37:6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

Job 10:11 Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews.

These are certainly being brought back as mortal human’s .. not resurrected spirit like the saints

Ezekiel 37:7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

No matter where the dry bones are scattered, God will bring them back again

Ezekiel 37:8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

Ezekiel 37:9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

Like Adam before the breath of life entered him, God is showing beyond doubt, these will be raised in the flesh

Ezekiel 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.( Great army; not necessary soldiers)

Ezekiel 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

Ezekiel 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

God is going to undo their lament, “our hope is lost, we are cut off for our parts”.

Ezekiel 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD,

Ezekiel 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

God turned their lament around, now they will hold their tongues

Ezekiel 37:15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

Ezekiel 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

> Judah = tribe of Judah

> Children of Israel his companions = mixed tribes that traditionally dwell with Judah since the kingdom division into two kingdoms since the days of Solomon

> For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim = Josephs descendants, Ephraim became a multitude of nations, considered a tribe in it’s own right, but .. still .. OF the tribe .. of Joseph (Josephs stick is in Ephraim’s hand) .. to share with :

> and all his (Ephraim’s) companions = the other “lost” tribes.

Ezekiel 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

In that day (the millennium), the Lord will give them all ONE spirit (Spirit of Truth), and they shall be ONE people (no more divisions) with ONE Shepherd (the Lord) over them all, in the land of Israel (not in heaven).

Ezekiel 37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

Ezekiel 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

Ezekiel 37:20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

Ezekiel 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

Now All are one

Ezekiel 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

This is where God CHOSE them again (“so SHALL they be my people, and I will be their God” .. (again!).

Note: Since Christians are resurrected spirit saints by this stage, Israelites will take up the passed on banner as God’s human representatives on earth once again)

Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

Ezekiel 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Ezekiel 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

One king, one Shepherd, observe & do, in the land, for ever, make a covenant = another covenant = Christ’s covenant, My Sanctuary in the midst of them for EVERMORE = grafted back into the tree = the Millennium kingdom period.

Ezekiel 37:27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Chosen again

Ezekiel 37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

As a testimony AGAINST the surviving heathen outside the kingdom boundaries, for all their hard words against Israel .. but .. God said Israel will never be ashamed (prophecy for the millennium period) and He will cause her to rule over those who oppressed her, and hated her .. for THEIR SHAME (the heathen’s turn to be ashamed) .. and the Lord will be amongst them FOREVERMORE that day forward.

God bless.

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HI T8,

You would have noticed that I answered your question.

Now I have a question ..

You said that Gog and Magog’s army could quite easily be before Armageddon ..

I provided the scriptures about the weapons being of wood, how the forests won’t be used for wood whilst the supply of weapons were used up ..

Do you disagree?

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