Liljon, no, there is no verse that I can think of right now except the prophetic ones such as Is 53 and others, even Deut 18:15f where Jesus is prophesied of, etc and which do indicate him in relationship to God as having a God.  When Stephen spoke of him in his final address, yes, Jesus is Lord sitted at the right hand of God, but stephen did…[Read more]

Quote (liljon @ Aug. 29 2005,13:13)John 20:28 says so. Jesus had a God because he became manHi liljon,The bible says that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He humbled himself to become one of us but did not change or stop being himself, else what is the point? And it is he, the very same pre, intra, post who is Lord.Your…[Read more]

Good posts, guys.  Did Jesus think of himself as equal with men or greater?Jhn 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for I am. Matt 22:41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?”They said to Him, “The Son of David.”43 He said to them, “How then…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 16 2005,06:45)Quote (stroshow @ Aug. 16 2005,04:55)I've asked this before but never really got an answer..”6 yet for us there is but one God, theFather,….there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ,…”So my question for you is if the term “ONE God”  meansthat Jesus is “a lesser god” then wouldn't that meanthat the term “one…[Read more]

Quote (Guest @ July 27 2005,00:58)Who is saying there are two God's?  Not me, or epistemaniac, or Is1:18, or redeemed, or liljon, etc…YHWH is one – ECHADOh, I know who does, Nick, T8, Cubes, etc.All other gods are false gods and not really gods at all.  Yet the Father calls Christ God and so does the rest of the Word. So it is impossible that t…[Read more]

Hi all:Time out!What's with the different guest names and copious posts? I think that we are all passionate and want to share what's on our hearts and construct/defend our arguments scripturally. Good. But I think the pace and volume together is taking away from that purpose.I don't know about you but it takes me time to pore over things… and…[Read more]

Quote (Guest @ July 26 2005,04:53)YIPES!-I just noticed that you called God three beings. No place in Scripture is the YHWH three beings.One being, three revealed Persons.Adam is one being, multiplied billions and billions of persons.The word 'one' is echad, and is used for YHWH the Elohim of Israel, ONE YHWH, in Deuteronomy 6, and is used of…[Read more]

Quote (vicalcabasa @ July 26 2005,03:12)You’re beliefs are well crafted and very elaborate. I give that to you. But all of this is still founded in your view that The Father is equal to the Son and equal to the Spirit. Three beings in one Godhead.Let me enumerate some popular passages…1.  “ I was brought forth …” The wisdom of God speaking i…[Read more]

Quote (Guest @ July 24 2005,23:29)Quote (vicalcabasa @ July 24 2005,17:04)You don't count your WORD as another person, do you?  Do people relate to your WORD in one way and to you in another way?The simple answer of course is both NO. So what do we have here?We have one God, One Person Speaking. Just one and only God speaking all things into…[Read more]

The above verse of of Eph 1:9 differentiates Christ from the Father:  His will, Himself as speaking to the Father, YHWH;  HE gathers together in ONE ALL THINGS in CHRIST…in HIM.So I see this case made in the scriptures, but not the case that you make.  There is no evidence that YHWH is a group.  There is evidence that all things come from YHW…[Read more]

Quote If you will go back and read what I posted, you'l see that I used only the Scripture to show that Adam is One being, many persons.To IARAdam = Human race, right?YHWH= Eph 3:14-15… unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named Eph 1:9 having made known to us the mystery of His will ,…[Read more]

When Eve ate of that tree, yours truly didn't know anything about it. I've got my own issues of which Eve knows nothing. But agreeably, I am her daughter.

Quote (Guest @ July 22 2005,21:57)How many Persons are there revealed in scripture in “YHWH, the  Elohim of Israel, the one (echad) YHWH?Hint; Father, Word, Spirit.quote me; “in Zechariah 2, that One Person, who is identifying Himself as YHWH of hosts says that YHWH of hosts sent Him.“8 For thus says the Lord of hosts: …Then you will know th…[Read more]

Quote (Guest @ July 23 2005,18:11)Quote (vicalcabasa @ July 23 2005,10:05)Quote (Cubes @ July 22 2005,20:19)You don't count your spirit as another person, do you?  Do people relate to your spirit in one way and to you in another way?hi cubes,I think IAR should really answer this question.I thought I had made plain the sense.Adam is created in the…[Read more]

Quote (Guest @ July 22 2005,04:30)Actually, He didn't complete his sentence Hello, You got the First Person and the Second Person down real well; but You left the third Person out!From the Father, through the WORD -who came to inhabit human flesh as the Son of God (who had no beginning, no genealogy, no Father, no mother, as YHWH of hosts, the…[Read more]

Quote (liljon @ July 22 2005,19:05)http://thriceholy.netis an excellent site proving the trinity.What have they got to say, lil?

Quote So, formerly, YHWH of hosts dwelt among them in the Presence of His glory seen over the Mercy Seat, where he communed with them since Solomon's temple dedication, but He is coming, He says in that passage, and He will dwell among them and YHWH of hosts is sending Him; -and in Isaiah 48:16, YHWH 'and His Spirit' hath sent Me”.Zec 2:8For…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 22 2005,04:50)Hi I, How many times is the Holy Spirit referred to as “The Spirit of God”or”His Spirit”or”My Spirit” in the Word of God?Many times. Since God is Spirit and spirit is an essential part of living beings then where does it say that God's Spirit becomes totally separate from the Source of that Spirit to the…[Read more]

Quote (vicalcabasa @ July 22 2005,00:40)Quote (Cubes @ July 21 2005,18:38)Amen, Vic.  But could you please clarify the last two sentences for me?Sure cubes,YHWH is not JesusYHWH is the Father of JEsusand Jesus is the son of the Father, the one true living God.Father is not JEsus. THe FAther is in Jesus. (THe fulness of God dwells in Him)i search…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2005,22:20)Hi cubes, If Jesus is part of the most high God then how can he have a God? Surely a God is at least greater than you and not part of you?Jn 20.17″ ..I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God”Hi Nick,Yes, it takes great effort to miss the straightforwardness of it all.Also, it suggests…[Read more]