Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 12 2009,15:05)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 13 2009,09:52)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 12 2009,17:45)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2009,11:56)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 12 2009,02:03)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 11 2009,14:01)t8 said:Quote God is the redeemer and Jesus is the agent of God's redemption.Jesus is the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2009,14:52)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 12 2009,17:45)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2009,11:56)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 12 2009,02:03)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 11 2009,14:01)t8 said:Quote God is the redeemer and Jesus is the agent of God's redemption.Jesus is the indespensible agent of God's…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 12 2009,14:45)WorshippingJesus said:Quote These scriptures show the Holy Spirit is subservient to Jesus for he glorifys Jesus, recieves from Jesus, and takes from Jesus, whatever he hears he speaks and shows it unto us and he does not speak of himself.Keith,By Arain standards the Holy Spirit would be an idolater. For the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2009,11:56)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 12 2009,02:03)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 11 2009,14:01)t8 said:Quote God is the redeemer and Jesus is the agent of God's redemption.Jesus is the indespensible agent of God's redemption which means that He is truly and properly the Redeemer.Paul is the final word and he said…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 12 2009,14:24)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 12 2009,18:03)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 11 2009,14:01)t8 said:Quote God is the redeemer and Jesus is the agent of God's redemption.Jesus is the indespensible agent of God's redemption which means that He is truly and properly the Redeemer.Paul is the final word and he said that…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2009,11:58)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 12 2009,02:43)Quote (katjo @ Dec. 11 2009,19:37)Col 2;9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form  Titus 2;13 While we wait for the blessed hope — the glorious appearing of our great GOD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST  hebrews 1;8 But about the Son he say…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2009,11:56)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 12 2009,02:03)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 11 2009,14:01)t8 said:Quote God is the redeemer and Jesus is the agent of God's redemption.Jesus is the indespensible agent of God's redemption which means that He is truly and properly the Redeemer.Paul is the final word and he said…[Read more]

See what I mean Kerwin, banana is parroting and peace2all is flipflopping again. It's hard to talk to her cause she keeps talking both sides of the fence.

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 11 2009,23:29)Quote (katjo @ Dec. 12 2009,14:25)LOOK HOW MANY SCRIPTURES LITERALLY CALL JESUS, GOD!Look at how many verses refer to some men and angels as “theos” and “elohim”. Both those words are translated as God/god.Your absolutly correct!

Quote Banana wrote: It always amazes me the way you label people. I consider myself a Christian only. When we belonged to the Catholic Church nobody including the Priests believed in the preexisting of Jesus. That is false. I am sitting here and shaking my head how you interpret the Scriptures.The “Trinity is the foundation of the catholic…[Read more]

Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 11 2009,15:00)Quote (banana @ Dec. 12 2009,07:02)Let me add my understanding of the subject.  In John 17:5 Jesus tells us that He wants to go back to where He was before.Now if He only was a thought or a plan in God's mind, He went back to that?  Now that makes no sense.He had a glory with the Father before He became a m…[Read more]

Quote (logoslogic @ Dec. 10 2009,11:13)Considering the large number of diverse posts on the subject of John 1:1, allow me to comment without addressing anyone’s post specifically.The interpretation of John 1:1 depends on your fundamental theology whether Jesus existed before He was born as Jesus 2000 years ago or not. If your paradigm is p…[Read more]

Quote Banana wrote: Let me add my understanding of the subject. In John 17:5 Jesus tells us that He wants to go back to where He was before. Now if He only was a thought or a plan in God's mind, He went back to that? Now that makes no sense.He had a glory with the Father before He became a man.“The glory I had with you before the world was” John…[Read more]

Quote (katjo @ Dec. 11 2009,19:37)Col 2;9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form  Titus 2;13 While we wait for the blessed hope — the glorious appearing of our great GOD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST  hebrews 1;8 But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the sce…[Read more]

Quote (katjo @ Dec. 11 2009,19:25)LOOK HOW MANY SCRIPTURES LITERALLY CALL JESUS, GOD! The four gospels quote (about Jesus.)Jesus Was In The Beginning With God In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (John 1:1).No one has ever seen God, BUT GOD THE ONE AND ONLY , WHO IS AT THE FATHERS SIDE  has made him known…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 11 2009,14:01)t8 said:Quote God is the redeemer and Jesus is the agent of God's redemption.Jesus is the indespensible agent of God's redemption which means that He is truly and properly the Redeemer.Paul is the final word and he said that it was Christ who redeemed us (Galatians 4). The Revelation says that Christ redeemed…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 11 2009,14:01)t8 said:Quote God is the redeemer and Jesus is the agent of God's redemption.Jesus is the indespensible agent of God's redemption which means that He is truly and properly the Redeemer.Paul is the final word and he said that it was Christ who redeemed us (Galatians 4). The Revelation says that Christ redeemed…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 11 2009,13:53)t8 said:Quote Jesus said, “take this cup from me, but not MY will but YOUR will”.God willed it. Jesus obeyed.Yet in His exalted state Jesus does His own will:”  All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 11 2009,22:42)Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 11 2009,18:25)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 11 2009,17:40)If you are disobeying the moral requirements of the Law of Mosses then you are walking according to the ways of the flesh (aka world) and not according to the ways of the Spirit.never did i say they are not required or obsolete or gone or…[Read more]

Quote (banana @ Dec. 11 2009,18:19)This is what Jesus said a Pharisee was,Mat 23:13   But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.  Mat 23:14   Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye de…[Read more]