Quote The Old and New Covenants – The Two Covenants'Elohim once wrote his laws to His children on cold stone tablets but now He writes His laws in them. 'Elohim gives us understanding to know and to believe His laws; He gives us memories to retain them; He gives us hearts to love them, courage to profess them and power to put them in practice. T…[Read more]

Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 12 2009,09:47)Quote (banana @ Dec. 13 2009,04:00)To all!  We are not under the Old Covenant in Exodus 34:27-28″Then the LORD said to Moses,”Write these words for according to the tenor of these words I have made a Covenant WITH YOU AND WITH Israel.”VERSE 28 “SO He WAS THERE WITH THE lord FORTY DAYS AND FORTY NIGHTS;HE…[Read more]

Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 13 2009,13:29)Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 14 2009,08:27)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 13 2009,09:23)See what I mean Kerwin, banana is parroting and peace2all is flipflopping again. It's hard to talk to her cause she keeps talking both sides of the fence.so banana shows you scriptures that tell you the truth, that makes them a…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 13 2009,16:41)Constitutionalist said:Quote The original “manuscript” does not have “Jesus” saving people out of Egypt.TO ALL:Con's statement above reflects the zenith of his ignorance. We do not have the “original” manuscripts. So we cannot be sure how the original manuscripts read.The preface in the ESV states that the…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 13 2009,16:22)Constitutionalist said:Quote The original “manuscript” does not have “Jesus” saving people out of Egypt.Con,You incessantly misunderstand my point. I am just trying to show that your claim that the Novum testamentum Graece is “Latin translation garbage” is false. The word “jesus' is found in some Greek…[Read more]

The New Nature is called:The Spirit The inward man The new man The Old Nature is called:The flesh The outward man The old man

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 13 2009,07:07)TO ALL:According to the ESV Jude verse 5 says that Jesus saved the people out of Egypt. The ESV is based in the Novum Testamentum Graece which Constitutionalist is “Latin translation garbage.” But according to Wikipedia the Novum Testamentum Graece is the “Greek language version” of the new testament. In…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 13 2009,09:55)Hi TT, There are thousands of manuscripts and only one original. So it answers no questions.Nick he doesn't grasp that.Just like there are over 300 bible transliteration (versions) out there, if they are ALL in agreement, why do they exist?The original “manuscript” does not have “Jesus” saving people out of…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 13 2009,06:19)ConQuote You blame 'Elohim?  Why not blame the wicked for there fate? Blinding the wicked and hardening their hearts is the fault of the wicked  This expresses a positive divine act, by which those who wilfully close their eyes and harden their hearts against the truth are judicially shut up in their unbelief and i…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 13 2009,04:54)Quote (banana @ Dec. 13 2009,18:24)thinkerNo human being can crush, kill, or destroy any spirit being, only God can destroy a spirit being.Nowhere does it say “first generation” Christian. The crushing under your feet, is just a figure of speech.The bible clearly states, he will be destroyed “after” he has…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 13 2009,04:54)Quote (banana @ Dec. 13 2009,18:24)thinkerNo human being can crush, kill, or destroy any spirit being, only God can destroy a spirit being.Nowhere does it say “first generation” Christian. The crushing under your feet, is just a figure of speech.The bible clearly states, he will be destroyed “after” he has…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 13 2009,05:49)Forget to say, you can used 'punished' in the past imperfect:  “they are still being punished”.StuartYes you could, but not in this context, for judgment has not yet come.

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 13 2009,05:47)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 13 2009,23:53)Quote (Stu @ Dec. 13 2009,02:46)2 Thessalonians 1:8-9  In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction.This loving god will take vengeance by fire which…[Read more]

Psalm 11:6 Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.Psalm 18:8 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.Psalm 18:12 At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 13 2009,03:04)t8Quote Imagine how mad a sinner could become if he couldn't die. Eternal life would be the worse thing you could give them. Exactly the same applies to the ‘saved’!  The moment you will no longer die is the moment your ‘life’ (whatever it is) loses all motive and meaning. Quote Anyway, I personally am against…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 13 2009,03:07)You know the really sad thing about all this is that christian mythology needs to present the simple natural process of death as some kind of punishment for those who do not buy into the myth.What a brutal load of nonsense it is.Stuart2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed,…[Read more]

Psalm 9:5 Thou hast rebuked the heathen, thou hast destroyed the wicked, thou hast put out their name for ever and ever.Psalm 37:38 But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.Psalm 73:27 For, lo, they that are far from thee shall perish: thou hast destroyed all them that go a whoring from thee.Psalm…[Read more]

Job 15:34 For the congregation of hypocrites shall be desolate, and fire shall consume the tabernacles of bribery.Psalm 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.Psalm 59:13 Consume them in wrath, consume them, that they may not be: and let…[Read more]

Exodus 15:7 And in the greatness of thine excellency thou hast overthrown them that rose up against thee: thou sentest forth thy wrath, which consumed them as stubble.Job 4:9 By the blast of 'Elohim they perish, and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed.Job 6:17 What time they wax warm, they vanish: when it is hot, they are consumed out…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 13 2009,02:46)2 Thessalonians 1:8-9  In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction.This loving god will take vengeance by fire which will result in everlasting destruction.  t8 thinks the prince of peace will u…[Read more]