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    Spock replied to the topic Urantia Trinity in the forum Other Faiths 12 years, 6 months ago

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 06 2013,07:30)Quote (Colter @ Sep. 05 2013,21:46)Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 05 2013,16:03)Also you sad Michael was the Father of this Universe so Jesus was asking himself to forgive them?Jesus was asking his Father, the Universal Father, our Universal Father, to forgive. We have a God that even knows what it's like to be…[Read more]

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    Jewish EncyclopediaJEHOVAH: “A mispronunciation (introduced by Christian theologians, but almost entirely disregarded by the Jews) of the Hebrew “Yhwh,” the (ineffable) name of God (the Tetragrammaton or “Shem ha-Meforash”). This pronunciation is grammatically impossible; it arose through pronouncing the vowels of the “ḳere” (marginal reading of…[Read more]

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    Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 06 2013,02:23)Quote (Colter @ Sep. 06 2013,01:31)Jehovah as a nameJehovah was unknown until 1520 when it was introduced by Galatinus, who defended its use.In English it appeared in William Tyndale's translation of the Pentateuch (“The Five Books of Moses”), published in 1530 in Germany, where Tyndale had studied since 1524,…[Read more]

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    Jehovah as a nameJehovah was unknown until 1520 when it was introduced by Galatinus, who defended its use.In English it appeared in William Tyndale's translation of the Pentateuch (“The Five Books of Moses”), published in 1530 in Germany, where Tyndale had studied since 1524, possibly in one or more of the universities at Wittenberg, Worms and…[Read more]

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    Spock replied to the topic No one could answer him in the forum Faith 12 years, 6 months ago

    You would be right, God doesn’t die, but God didn't die, the Son didn't die, only the mortal tabernacle of his indwelling “died”. The Son then resurrected a likeness of himself and reappeared on earth. Only now he appears suddenly and vanishes, appears in rooms with locked doors. It wasn't really flesh that was resurrected, rather it was the M…[Read more]

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    bodhitharta is right, Jehovah is a very recent name for God.There is only One God and his subordinate Sons in whom he is personified. If one of those Sons rebels against the rule of the Universal Father within their hearts, like Lucifer and Satan, they are no longer subordinate Sons but rebels with very limited power and no authority.The…[Read more]

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    Spock replied to the topic Urantia Trinity in the forum Other Faiths 12 years, 6 months ago

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 05 2013,16:03)Also you sad Michael was the Father of this Universe so Jesus was asking himself to forgive them?Jesus was asking his Father, the Universal Father, our Universal Father, to forgive. We have a God that even knows what it's like to be human.You refuse to realize or even consider that it is Gods loving nature…[Read more]

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    Spock replied to the topic Urantia Trinity in the forum Other Faiths 12 years, 6 months ago

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 05 2013,16:02)Quote (Colter @ Sep. 05 2013,11:54)The cross was an act of love in that the creator was willing to suffer on behalf of the created that he might know what it is like to suffer death and maintain faith. Even Lucifer turned his head at the grotesque and inhuman treatment of the Creator Son in the flesh. But…[Read more]

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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 05 2013,16:04)Quote (Colter @ Sep. 05 2013,11:48)rule=a compulsive, ritualistic requirement rather than truly seeking Gods will.ColterSo do you fast at all?Who do you pray to?1)No2)GodColter

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    Spock replied to the topic Urantia Trinity in the forum Other Faiths 12 years, 6 months ago

    4. Meaning of the Death on the Cross(2016.6) 188:4.1 Although Jesus did not die this death on the cross to atone for the racial guilt of mortal man nor to provide some sort of effective approach to an otherwise offended and unforgiving God; even though the Son of Man did not offer himself as a sacrifice to appease the wrath of God and to open the…[Read more]

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    Spock replied to the topic Urantia Trinity in the forum Other Faiths 12 years, 6 months ago

    The cross was an act of love in that the creator was willing to suffer on behalf of the created that he might know what it is like to suffer death and maintain faith. Even Lucifer turned his head at the grotesque and inhuman treatment of the Creator Son in the flesh. But even in such agony his love saturated heart asked “forgive them Father, for…[Read more]

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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 05 2013,10:17)Quote (Colter @ Sep. 05 2013,03:37)Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 05 2013,02:39)Quote (Colter @ Aug. 11 2013,09:17)I don't fast or pray as a rule, everyday is holy to me.ColterThis is what I reported you saying and I was certainly right so why call me a liar?Maybe you should reconsider and pray like your religion…[Read more]

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    Spock replied to the topic Urantia Trinity in the forum Other Faiths 12 years, 6 months ago

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 05 2013,02:32)Quote (Colter @ Sep. 03 2013,21:40)ColterThen why do you believe God sacrificed Jesus?God didn't sacrifice Jesus, that idea is a pagan interpretation of the cross combined with former thinking from Judaism. The cross was a shared human experience based on the astonishing love that Michael has for his…[Read more]

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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 05 2013,02:39)Quote (Colter @ Aug. 11 2013,09:17)I don't fast or pray as a rule, everyday is holy to me.ColterThis is what I reported you saying and I was certainly right so why call me a liar?Maybe you should reconsider and pray like your religion teaches you.As a rule, a rule! I pray sincerely, I don't say things to God…[Read more]

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    Spock replied to the topic Urantia Trinity in the forum Other Faiths 12 years, 6 months ago

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 05 2013,02:27)Quote (Colter @ Sep. 03 2013,21:30)Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 03 2013,18:04)Quote (Colter @ Sep. 03 2013,11:17)You say you don't pray but the UB says you shouldPrayer is a part of the divine plan for making over that which is into that which ought to be.  (1621.1) 144:4.2I never said I didn't pray, you are…[Read more]

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    Spock replied to the topic Urantia Trinity in the forum Other Faiths 12 years, 6 months ago

    Ironically, Lucifer and his followers lost faith in the Triune manifestation of the I AM. I hadn't really thought about it but the anti-Trinity crowd makes some of the same arguments as Lucifer. The Leaders of Rebellion(601.3) 53:1.1 Lucifer was not an ascendant being; he was a created Son of the local universe, and of him it was said: “You were p…[Read more]

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    Spock replied to the topic Urantia Trinity in the forum Other Faiths 12 years, 6 months ago

    The Machiventa Incarnation(1014.3) 93:1.1 Revealed truth was threatened with extinction during the millenniums which followed the miscarriage of the Adamic mission on Urantia. Though making progress intellectually, the human races were slowly losing ground spiritually. About 3000 B.C. the concept of God had grown very hazy in the minds of…[Read more]

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    Spock replied to the topic Urantia Trinity in the forum Other Faiths 12 years, 6 months ago

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 03 2013,13:57)Quote (Colter @ Sep. 03 2013,12:53)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 03 2013,11:35)Quote (Colter @ Sep. 02 2013,12:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 03 2013,04:24)……..must I believe in your UB in order to make that passing?No!!! The UB is a revelation not a requirement. Salvation is a personal matter between the…[Read more]

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    Spock replied to the topic Urantia Trinity in the forum Other Faiths 12 years, 6 months ago

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 03 2013,18:04)You say you don't pray but the UB says you shouldPrayer is a part of the divine plan for making over that which is into that which ought to be.  (1621.1) 144:4.2I never said I didn't pray, you are lying again which is permissible in Islam.The size of Islam does not mean it has its facts right or that…[Read more]

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