Quote (thankful @ Jan. 26 2011,20:57)there are plenty of verses to show the son of God existing before coming to earth as a man.and plenty of other writings, done soon after, the earliest church writings.example this was writen in aprox 120AD by a saint. mathetes.“God himself who is almighty, the creator of all things and invisible,has sent from…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 26 2011,01:55)Georg……….. The GLORY Jesus had with the FATHER before the World was,  was already prepared for him before he ever was born into existence what is so hard for you to understand about that. He was (FOREORDAINED) (but) WAS (MANIFESTED) IN OUR TIME SAID PETER. Get it?.  Tell me this Georg, what does t…[Read more]

Tim! The New Covenant is in Jesus blood, but He also gave us the great commandment to keep…,.You don't keep that? Since you say that the law has been done away…..Jesus told us it hasn't….I question why Jesus in one hand gives us the great commandments and then says that we are no longer under that, is that what you are saying????We all…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 26 2011,00:54)Quote (Baker @ Jan. 25 2011,13:04)Gene!  And I have another question for you!   Who is this talking about in this ScriptureRev 19:13   And he clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.   Rev 19:14   And the armies in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in f…[Read more]

GeneYou, and others, claim that HE (Jesus) was only a “thought” in God's mind, in God's plan; explain to me then what was Jesus asking his Father when he said this?Jhn 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with “””the glory…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 26 2011,00:47)Quote (Baker @ Jan. 25 2011,11:19)Quote (Baker @ Jan. 24 2011,20:56)You insist that Jesus did not exist, prior to his birth as a human.You, and others, claim that HE was only a “thought” in God's mind, in God's plan; explain to me then what was Jesus asking his Father when he said this?Jhn 17:4   I have…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 25 2011,21:35)Irene and Gene,Here is something interested as I was looking through the Herodian Dynasty and its relationship to scripture that bears on parables.  It is enough to base a hypothesis on but nothing more without additional evidence.Wikipedia entry for Herod_ArchelausThe beginning and conclusion of Christ's…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 25 2011,14:16)Quote (betweenchristendomandjws @ Jan. 25 2011,13:03)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,12:05)The Messiah was born on the 1st of Elul which was September 11th in 3 BC about 7-8 P.M.september 11th seems to be a very important date hmm.Hi brother Betweenchristendom,Greetings to you. Please see my arguments…[Read more]

Gene! And I have another question for you! Who is this talking about in this ScriptureRev 19:13 And he clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. Rev 19:14 And the armies in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Jan. 24 2011,20:56)You insist that Jesus did not exist, prior to his birth as a human.You, and others, claim that HE was only a “thought” in God's mind, in God's plan; explain to me then what was Jesus asking his Father when he said this?Jhn 17:4   I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 25 2011,03:54)Hi Irene:How about the following scripture:Quote Ephesians 3:9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: This again indicates that God created all things.  Jesus is not the creator.Love in…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 25 2011,08:44)Irene……….O really then just produce one where Jesus said He Preexisted His Berth on earth as any kind of “BEING”. And don't try to force the text as you always do to say what you (THINK) it means. No Just one scripture where Jesus ever said he was ALIVE AS SOME KIND OF “BEING” before his berth on…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 25 2011,02:34)Keith said to t8:Quote You have to admit that a big part of the discussions here and what makes your site popular is the Trinitarians.More importantly is the fact that the trinitarians give the biblical Jesus. Without trinitarians Heaven Net would be all darkness instead of a combination of darkness and…[Read more]

To all! i agree that Hebrew 1:8 and John 1:1 tells us that Jesus is God. However I don't believe that Jesus is equal with Jehovah God His Father.Jhn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Yes, it says that…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 25 2011,03:54)Hi Irene:How about the following scripture:Quote Ephesians 3:9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: This again indicates that God created all things.  Jesus is not the creator.Love in…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 25 2011,01:18)Georg……………SO, Were also not in the Plan and will of GOD , Just as Jesus was right, “FOR WHOM HE FOREKNEW HE ALSO PREDESTINED TO BE MADE INTO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON” , it ALSO SAY JESUS WAS SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH, but was he literally slain from the foundation of the earth or does…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 25 2011,00:14)Quote (Baker @ Jan. 24 2011,07:21)Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 23 2011,20:33)Quote (Baker @ Jan. 22 2011,22:29)Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 21 2011,20:26)Pierre: For me, a first resurrection and a second resurrection are the most foolish doctrines I've ever heard. Jesus said that….whosoever shall believe in me should…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 23 2011,20:33)Quote (Baker @ Jan. 22 2011,22:29)Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 21 2011,20:26)Pierre: For me, a first resurrection and a second resurrection are the most foolish doctrines I've ever heard. Jesus said that….whosoever shall believe in me should not perish (die) but shall have eternal life. Jesus words are the…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 24 2011,14:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2011,02:42)Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 13 2011,19:11)Good arguments brother Gene. Jewish Messiah was never meant other than human being born to human parents. Literal preexistence of Messiah is some thing unknown to Judaism and Hebrew Bible.Love and peace to youAdamHi Adam,You are…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 24 2011,09:04)Georg scripture us those word a lot, and they translate the in 30-100, different ways, so maybe you need to study them more and think about how they are used more and then maybe you can begin to see how they can and (ARE) misapplied. IMOpeace and love …………………….GeneThey are indeed misapplied…[Read more]