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Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 05 2010,07:28)

Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 02 2005,17:13) Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 01 2005,00:21) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 31 2005,04:20) Hi kenrch, The ten commandmenSGRESSIONt are restrictions. Jesus Christ rewrote them in positive form. Instaed of a series of “thou shalt not”s he compressed tem into two' Love God. Love thy neighbour. That was the original intention of God anyway that we behave in the way he does. He wanted us to know the spirit of the Law and worship Him while loving others as we love ourselves but seared consciences made that impossible and so He introduced the ten commandments. It was a trap for the hypocrites who attempted to fulfill the detail and ignore the spirit.  Nothing of the Law has passed away but the restrictive aspects have gone for those who are reborn. Imagine if the traffic police went on strike. Everyone could travel as fast as they wanted to and no one would get into trouble. Evil men would use it to cause complete havoc but good men would drive in a similar way to what they did before. They would still be mindful of the old traffic signs that used to rule their behaviour. What if instead of the traffic law a new law was introduced that said to travel sensibly and carefully at all times and respect the other drivers. What if the new law said a friendly driving instructor would travel with you to remind you of these things and to warn you of danger. You would never be prosecuted but you would be allowed to use commonsense. Small infringements would be ignored and you need not live in fear of prosecution. You would be regarded as a good driver unless you chose to be stupid. Even then if the folly was not a constant attitude your friendly instructor would speak in your defense. If you still chose despite all these things to behave constantly like a dangerous lunatic it is likely you would be reported to the authotrities and lose your privileges. Does this make sense as far as the law and salvation goes? something like that seems right to me. Hi Nick, Are the Ten Commandments restrictive? 1Jo 5:3  For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. Jesus rewrote them in a positive form. Instaed of a series of “thou shalt not”s he compressed tem into two' Love God. Love thy neighbour. Yes Nick Love God = the first 4 commandments Love thy neighbor+ the last six commandments. Jesus rewrote the commandments. He sure did he magnified the law and made them spiritual. Mat 5:21  Ye have heard that it was said to them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: Mat 5:22  but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment; and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council; and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire. Mat 5:27  Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not commit adultery: Mat 5:28  but I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. If anything Jesus made it harder NOT to sin.  In the Old Testament thou shalt not Kill.  In the New Testament you can't get angry withput sinning! Old Testament no physical adultery.  New Testament don't even look at a woman with lust.  If you say to yourself you want that woman then you have commited adultery. Less restrictions! Read those scriptures again then tell me that!   Jesus didn't lust, was not angry (want to kill) with his brother. He expects us to try but everyone sins and falls short of the glory of God Heb 4:15  For we have not a high priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but one that hath been in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Heb 4:16  Let us therefore draw near with boldness unto the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy, and may find grace to help us in time of need KEEPING THE LAW WILL NOT SAVE YOU NO MORE THAN JUST WORKS WILL.  WORKS FOLLOWS FAITH.  KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS FOLLOWS BEING SAVED.  With out being saved there would be no way, not even a chance that you could keep even one commandment.  But once saved the new inner man begins to fight the sinful flesh or old man. Since Pentecost we don't need the written law.  The written law is of the flesh (Old Testament) but the law in the New Testament is written in our heart or made spiritual. So we don't need to memorize the law.  The law is made spiritual BY OUR LORD JESUS. Rom 8:1  There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. When we fall and sin we are forgiven under the Spirit and grace. Rom 8:2  For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. The law of the Spirit is the Ten Commandments written on our hearts made us free from the PEANALTY of the fleshly written Thou shalt not Old Testament.  When we fall it's like Jesus says ok, try again. Before Jesus we didn't stand a chance.  The more we listen to the Spirit (law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus) the less we will sin.  SIN IS TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW. Rom 8:3  For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: (see above) Rom 8:4  that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom 8:5  For they that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.  Those who mind the written law commit unforgiven sin. They that are after the Spirit have the law written on their heart and the forgivness of sin. Rom 8:6  For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace: If you break the law and you no doubt will because you mind is on the flesh.  But the mind set on the Spirit keep the law which brings life and peace. Rom 8:7  because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be. Rom 8:8  and they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Why? Because their mind is not subject to the law of God! Rom 8:9  But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.  But ye are not of the letter of the law, but you have the law written on your heart because the Spirit of God dwells in you. The Ten Commandments are like the Lord's prayer.  The Lord's prayer is not a prayer at all, it's instruction on how and what to pray for. If i find a wallet, I don't say findsy keepsy I'm not steeling I FOUND the wallet.  That would be Old Testament Law or the letter of the law.  But the Spirit says see if there is ID in the wallet and return it, the wallet is NOT yours.  The law is not done away with it's now made Spiritual. [/I] Hi Nick, My oringinal question was Why are we to remember the sabbath.  This is the only commandment that is not written on my heart.  Is that why we should remember it? Does anyone know?  It's not a trick question.  I want to know! Hi K, The Sabbath is for our health:  Mental, physical and spiritual rejuvenation.  Just as the land has a sabbath of years. Also, the Ten Commandments are not God's. His 5 are in Gen 1:26 & 28. Jesus' summation of the Ten are in one word “LOVE”. Jesus' commandment is in Matthew 28:19 Go, make disciples! The Professor

The question was, “how many” commandments did God give?

Read the book of Leviticus, there they are all listed, pay especially attention the the very “last” verse of the book.

It should also make you understand, why it took Moses 40 days, and nights, to wright down “TEN” commandments.

Georg

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Quote (malcolm ferris @ April 03 2006,18:25)

I know this might sound a bit whack but here is a question that I have had much fun discussing with someone who believes there is no body presently on the throne. Now personally I believe that the scripture that says there is one mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus. His arguement is that that is symbolic, of course this guy is a oneness ala pentecostal denomination believer in denial… Anyway I was interested in your guys take on this.

What happen to the “flesh” body of Jesus?
Well,.. what was Jesus nature before he became flesh? his nature was “spirit”.
Why did he have to take on human nature (flesh)? because he came to ransom “human nature”, he came to die in our stead. It is because of “his” death, that we can live.
Why would any one think, that God would raise him from the dead as a human,(flesh) being? God gave him back his true nature, “spirit”; his flesh body had taken on “all” of our sins, and the penalty for sin is death, so his flesh body had to remain in the grave, (it was the ransom for our bodies) it had done it's job; was no longer needed; and so God disposed of it; for the same reason he would not reveal the location of Moses grave.

Georg

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 09 2010,19:31)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 06 2010,22:42) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 07 2010,02:13) I have seen many claiming that God the Father Jehovah is the source of life. But there are others as myself and Kj, which i think i saw him mention in the debate with Mike, that Jesus is a source of life according to hebrews. Of course since we believe that God and Jesus are the same role in a since. ITs a no brainer that its God, who is the source of life, But specfically, IS Jesus the source of life? John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. Hello SF, The “Source” obviously must be God, who created the son of God first (Col  1:15).   Then THRU God's son, everything else was created. For a twist other than the obvious stated above: “WATER” is the source of life on this planet: 2Pe 3:5-6 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the “earth” was formed out of water and by water, (6) through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. What irony:  Source of life; Source of death. The Professor First: It does not say he was the first thing created by God 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: IT says he was firstborn of every creature not creation. It does not say that Jesus was created, it just says he was first. in other words the BEGINNING, and the End. Water is never said to be created. Which is always debatable, never thought  about what position i was going to take on that. Jesus is said to be our lord and savoir but also our Judge. The very same irony.

Is the “creature” not part of the “creation”?

Georg

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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 02 2010,13:50)

Hi Everyone, We might not fully understand “The Big Picture” all at once, But by staying on track and praying the The HolySpirit will open up to you “Bible Truth”, you are sure to succeed!                                                                   (Heb.12:2) Heb.12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.                                                                                         (Rev.3:21 / Rev.21:7) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed, you should have become a map maker, as a teacher of the Bible, you are a blind leader.

Georg

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Quote (t8 @ Aug. 12 2010,10:36)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 12 2010,01:43) T8……..When are you going to realize the Word of GOD (WAS, WAS, WAS, WAS, WAS, WAS, WAS, GOD!. Not Jesus, God created everything by Speaking them into existence. GOD and His WORDS are ONE and the Same thing as You and Your Words are. You can not separate a Man from his words nor GOD from His words.  Why can't you understand that brother? Gene, it doesn't say that the Word was God. That is the same as saying that the Word was the God. And this means that the Word is God to the exclusion of the Father being God. This is where both yourself and Trinitarians misrepresent John 1:1. You need a lesson in definite articles and what they mean and do in the Greek language. Think of a capital letter as in your name. If I said, Eve was Adam, it would mean that Eve was literally Adam. If I said, Eve was adam, then I would be correct, because I would be saying that Eve's nature was man(kind). Now the Word was WITH God and this you cannot deny. The Word that was WITH God is preceded by a definite article and God is not. You ignore this and it leads you into error. John 1:1 and 1John 1:1 go together perfectly. Jesus is the Word of Life and you are telling me that he is NOT the Word of Life. That sums it up doesn't it?

t8 Here I have to agree with WJ in John 1:1 it says in the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and was with God.  Also in Hebrew 1:8 He is called God.  And in Rev. 19:13 He is called The Word of God, King of Kings and Lord of Lords in verse 16.  I understand that God is a title and both have other names. Our Heavenly Fathers name is Jehovah or Yahweh… Or Elohim. Jesus was the Word and will be again when He comes again….Rev, 19:13-16 explains it very nicely.  Many were called God, just like Satan is called the God of this world….that does not make Him equal with the Almighty God.  While He is the Mighty God.  Afterall He did come forth from the Almighty God.  Proverbs 8
Peace Irene

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Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 12 2010,08:09)

The Word of God is the highest possible perception of YHVH. YHVH is too great and to vast to be perceived by anyone, including angels or whatever you like to come up with. The Word of God is in fact, the perfect reflection of YHVH the unknowable. This is confusing because it makes us perceive The Word of God as God himself, when in actuallity it is and isn't. It's paradoxical. The Word of God is definately God himself expressed to creation to be perceived. but YHVH himself, is the source of all things…he isn't just a being or a spirit…HE SIMPLY IS. He is the source of all things. The Source could never be perceived by anything. So his expression or revelation of himself is the closest thing we can possibly come to realizing YHVH. That same Word of God, is whom we've come to know as Jesus Christ. ——– This illustrates that The Word of God isn't YHVH the source himself, yet it is… understanding that it makes Jesus Christ not necessarily YHVH in flesh, but the flection or expression of YHVH in flesh…. The same reflection or expression that created the worlds. This understanding proves that Jesus is in fact, God in flesh. but does, in no way support a trinity.

I disagree with you when you say that The Word of God is the literal word of God, and not Jesus' You need to read in Rev, 19:13-16 in it says that The Word of God is the King of Kings and Lord of Lord. And He has a robe on dipped in blood, that only can be Jesus….. Irene

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I am not about to read all of the post made here, all I am going to say to this is:”   When it says in the Old Test. LORD notice that LORD is in all capital letters.  Why that was done is because the Translators did not want to take God's name in vain and used LORD instead.  In the New Test. it says Lord and that is Jesus.  Lord of Lords and King o f Kings Rev, 19:16 The Word of God who became flesh John 1:1 and verse 14.
Deut. 4:36 and Deut. 6:4 both use LORD.
KJ and WJ talk about the plurality, well if you know that Jesus always does what the Father wants Him to say, that makes them one in thought and deeds.  Just like a man and a woman become one, but are two persons.  That does not make them equal….That does not make it a trinity at all.  
Deut. 6:4 and Deut. 4:35 both say LORD.  And that is Jehovah God.  At that time Jesus was the Word of God spoken of in John 1:1, nobody has heard Jehovah God's voice or seen His form John 5:37.
Only He who was with Him The Word of God who became flesh Jesus….
We also know who came up with the trinity and the first Christians did not keep it…. It was was Tertullian who first came up with it…. And Constantine in the third century issued an edit and it became law in the Universal Church which later became the Roman Catholic Church….The Christian then compramised much, and agreed with all, just like today.   Most people don't even question it….Only those who God calls out.  I know that WJ and KJ will not agree with this, but for me, this is Gospel Truth….One more thing, if the Holy Spirit is a person then He will be the Father of Jeus, and that is not so, because the Holy Spirit is the essence of God the Father…His Holy Spirit…All very interesting to me…. it really does not make any difference if they are united in thought and deed… that does not make them one God, but two persons.  The Son of God and The Jehovah God His Father…..I also disagree with those that think Jesus is not called God,  Hebrew 1:8 and John 1:1 shows us that He is.  That will never make Him equal to Jehovah God at all…. He was and is The Word of God and King of Kings and Lord of Lords.  And not LORD Jehovah…. No, I am not a J.W. either. I  have been accused of it….
Peace and Love Irene

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WE ARE GOD'S PEOPLE
1 We are God's people, the chosen of the LORD,
Born of His Spirit, established by His Word.
Our cornerstone is Christ alone,and strong in Him We stand.
O let us live transparently
And walk hearth to hearth and hand to hand.

2 We are God's loved ones, the Bride of Christ our Lord.
We have known it, the love of God out poured.
Now let us learn how to return the gift of love once given.
O let us share each joy and care,
And live with a zeal that pleases Heaven.

3 We are the Body, which the Lord is Head,
Called to obey Him, now risen from the dead.
He wills us to be a Family diverse yet truly one.
O let us give our gifts to God,
And so shall His work on earth be done.

4 We are aTemple the Spirit's dwelling place,
Formed in great weakness, a cup to hold God's grace;
We die alone, for one it's own, each member loses fire.
Yet joined as one the flame burns on,
To give warmth and light to inspire…..

Peace and Love Irene

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 12 2010,00:51)

Mike………Two things………So you really are saying we (CAN NOT) actually come to the (FULL MEASURE) of Christ Jesus. Even though scripture says the opposite. Eph 4:13……> Till we (all) come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the son of God, unto a (PERFECT) man, unto the (MEASURE OF THE STATURE) of the (FULLNESS) of Christ: These words you do not (TRULY) believe, because your preexistence doctrine prevents you from truly believing them right?  Can't you see the damage of your false belief does to not only you but all who hold to those teachings. How could you every achieve to the fullness of Christ believing you can never attain to it. We on the other hand do believe we can achieve to the (FULL MEASURE) of Christ , by the same way he attained to that measure though Faith in GOD the Father we CAN COME TO THE (FULL) MEASURE OF Christ.  Can you begin to see what your false concepts do, they Move our (IDENTITY) away from Jesus and not only that but our Faith in God and His ability to CREATE US THAT WAY. Preexistence is truly against the Work of GOD and Jesus both, Think about it MIKE. You say it is just our belief Jesus had to be Just like us, Well then it is obvious you think he was not like us , and why then should we (truly) believe in the power and the work of God or his ability to create unto the (full measure of Christ)< Jesus said "be of good cheer because I have overcome , what did he overcome if he was not a pure human being and why should we be of good cheer if (HE) overcame what does that have to do with Us , In your thinking it has nothing to do with us because we can never attain to the stature of Christ. Do you really think we will forever be sinners and GOD the Father can not (PERFECT) US. CAN'T YOU SEE HOW YOUR FALSE TEACHINGS (limit) GOD'S Work (IN) MANKIND.  Mike why not just believe in the TRINITY whats the difference Brother  they also believe Jesus was different from us. Mike had you truly read and thought about what me and martian and others have said you could easily see that the teaching of the Preexistence of Jesus was Just as bad as the teaching of the Trinity, they go hand in hand with each other brother. peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene

Gene! Even so does that really mean that we have to be like Him.  All have fallen short of the glory of God, would not agree with that… I think that we will all strife to be like Christ.  However Christ had the Holy Spirit without measure, while we only have some of God's Ho;y Spirit. That is also the reason why Christ did not sin, He was not a mere man, He was the Son of God who was in Heaven as a Spirit being, and had a glory which He went back to, John 17:5. He emptied Himself of that glory and became a man, to save us from eternal death.  Phil. 2:5  I also think that God had to send someone like Christ in order to save us…. In  the unity of God, who in this world has that?   I do not know anyone that fits that criteria…. I think the first Christian who died for God did have the Holy Spirit much more then we do toaday…and that verse fits them….. .And again what does that all have to do with the preexisting of Jesus??? As far as I am concerned nothing….just as bad? Then you have not studied the Scriptures that Mike and I hav given, and even say that what Christ is saying is false…..
Peace and Love Irene

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Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 09 2010,12:16)

There have already been many threads on the Trinity and this isn't going to be another. It has to do with the question of SALVATION. When I witness to others I do so because I feel the desire to share God's love and free gift to others. I am concerned that if a person doesn't believe in Jesus and they die without accepting Jesus as their Savior that they will be “lost” and eternally damned. Here's the dilemma: If a person who is a “Christian” and believes in the Trinity will that person be “saved”? I believe in Jesus as the “son of God”….not as God, the Son and that is where the split comes.  Trinitarians believe in Jesus as God.   What IF Jesus isn't God?  THEN the Trinitarians have believed in a “false god” all the time.  They would be breaking the first commandment and would've been following a “wrong” Jesus and teaching others to do so too. Will believing in a “false god” bring about Salvation?  Is this false god equivalent to the “false gods” of all the other different religions? As a false god does it make any difference that the people call this “god” Jesus? Scripture says that whoever calls upon the name of Jesus will be saved.  It doesn't qualifiy salvation upon believing in Jesus as God or son of God. So, does it matter if people break the First Commandment and place Jesus as God? By me, not believing in him as God can't be faulted because I have done what the Bible has asked.  I haven't put the additional moniker of God to Jesus….and haven't put him ahead of his Father, God. What think thee?  Is Salvation at risk? Trinitarians–“IF” you were wrong about Jesus being God, do you think your wrong doing could cost you your Salvation? The Professor

Professor

The problem is this; people believe, because ministers tell them so, that, unless you are saved now (and just what do they mean by being saved now)? you are lost for ever, and will burn in hell!
Well,.. just where in the Bible does it say that?
People don't even understand, what is “HELL”?
“HELL” is nothing more than a hole in the ground, that is where they lay the dead, it's a grave, nothing more.
Jesus said, the dead sleep, why? because there will be an awakening from that sleep, the resurrection.

1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

You see? both, “the just and the unjust”, so there is no condemnation now, just death.
If God were to judge us now, in all this confusion, then you could say, God is not just.

Georg

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Quote (chosenone @ Aug. 04 2010,07:37)

So if 'the word of God' is what we need to understand to be saved, what hope do we really have when there is so much confusion as to what we need for salvation?  Lets be honest as to what we believe…  No two persons can actually agree to everything they think scripture is saying. Some may agree on some things, but disagree on others, and others have a completely different view.  Some say there are certain basic things that must be done, and all don't agree on what and how much.  We can go on and on debating what certain scriptures are saying, what was 'then' and what is 'now'.  Really, it's mass confusion, is it not???  Just look at this website as an example, total chaos as what we believe scripture is saying.     If it so important as what we must do for salvation, why did God make it so difficult to understand?  If our eternal existance depends on our understanding of what God is saying to us, surely He could give us a simple straight-forward set of rules, black and white as to understanding.   So, what is the answer?  Are those who 'understood' and 'did it right', earn salvation?  Are the many who thought they were doing it right, and tried their best, but where wrong, destined to 'eternal torture'?  Do you really think that God will do that?   God bless you all,  Jerry.

Jerry

You have brought up some very important points.
Why is it, that there seems to be no clear understanding of the word of God, not even between the ministers?
Why is it, that every body claims to have the guidance of the Holy Spirit, but nobody can agree on anything?
Why did God make it so difficult to understand?
It really begins with this question, and the answer is; this is not the time for the whole world to be saved.
Did Jesus make any attempt to save the world, when he was hear?
Jesus told the apostles, go in all the world and preach the gospel “for a WITNESS”, not to save the world. The time to save the world is during the millennium, Christs 1000 year reign.
God had predestined from before time, those who were to be called, for the purpose and honour to reign with Christ.

Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

From the time the gospel has been preached, trough all the generations of man, God has been calling those that he predestined to be called.
The gospel had to be preached in all the world, so that they that were to be called, would hear it, and respond to it.
That does not mean that the rest of us should ignore the gospel, thinking it is not for us, because, whether now or later, we will all have to obey the word of God.

Georg

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Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 10 2010,21:57)

Quote (gollamudi @ Aug. 10 2010,14:45) Jesus is the first work of God as per JW/Arianism/Preexistenceism… It makes you wonder how the same people can believe that Adam is the fist man when Jesus supposedly existed before him.

kerwin! Even though Jesus is the firstborn of all creation, He existed in a Spirit Body, it is Adam who was the first Human Being made from the dust of the earth. While Jesus came forth from Jehovah God…. I do know how hard it is for you to believe that…. I too had a hard time with it…… But believe me I only want the truth and nothing but the truth to be taught here. So all I am asking of you to give it time, and look at the article that Heaven Net has. it explains it much better then I or anybody else can…..Also I do not believe in the trinity, some will put that along side of it, it is another subject and has nothing to do with why Jesus was the firstborn of all creation, why He was with His Father in Heaven and emptied Himself and became a mere man. But He did know where He came from otherwise He could have never said what He did in John 17:5. With all my Christian Love Irene

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PRAISE YE THE LORD, THE ALMIGHTY

1 Praise Ye the LORD , the Almighty the King of all creation!
O my Soul praise Him, for He is thy health and salvation.
All ye who hear now to His Temple draw near.
Join me in glad adoration!

2 Praise Ye the LORD, o'er all things wondrously reigneth.
Shelters Thee under His wing, yea, so gently sustained!
Hast Thou not seen how Thy desires e'er have been.
Granted in what He ordained!

3 Praise Ye the LORD, who with marvelous wisdom hath made Thee!
Decked Thee with health, and loving hands hath guided and stayed Thee!
How oft in grief hath brought Thee relief!
Spreading His wings to shade Thee!

4 Praise Ye the LORD, O let all that is in me, adore Him!
All that hath life and breath, now come with praises before Him!
Let the Amen, sound from His people!
Gladly for aye we adore Him!

Peace and Love Irene

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I have wondered so many times why God created a formless and void earth. I know it is speculation at best, but since Satan is the God of this earth, I wonder if in Genesis God recreated the earth. Satan was here before man, because He was in Paradise when Adam and Eve sinned…. So it could very well be that Satan made a mess of this earth. God then recreated this earth so we could live here…that also goes along with what Scientists found, the Skeletons that shows that they are much older then 2000 years…..Irene

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 02 2010,20:18)

Quote (theodorej @ July 31 2010,16:51) Quote (shimmer @ July 31 2010,13:27) Quote (Arnold @ July 30 2010,22:52) Quote (shimmer @ July 30 2010,11:06) I'll let you all fight it out Who's fighting? we're just throwing snow-balls; in this weather they never reach their target, to bad though.   Humility and meekness? you want find it here! You never know ! Georg don't be so cynical…..there is plenty of humility in this forum..it just doen't get much opportunity to debut because of all the hubris…… humility in this forum really? Really?

not you toooooogive me a break…..

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Quote (shimmer @ July 31 2010,13:27)

Quote (Arnold @ July 30 2010,22:52) Quote (shimmer @ July 30 2010,11:06) I'll let you all fight it out Who's fighting? we're just throwing snow-balls; in this weather they never reach their target, to bad though.   Humility and meekness? you want find it here! You never know !

That post my dear Husband made…. As you can see He can be somewhat sarcastic………Irene

[Arnold]

This next Song is not a Christian Son, however I just like the Music and the Movie. It is from the Sound of Music.

EDELWEISS

Edelweiss, Edelweiss, every morning you greet me,

Small and white, clean and bright,

You are happy to met me.

Blossom of Snow, may you bloom and grow,

Bloom and grow forever.

Edelweiss, Edelweiss,

Bless my Homeland forever.

Blossom of Snow

May you bloom and grow,

Bloom and grow forever,

Edelweiss, Edelweiss,

Bless my Homeland forever……

Peace and Love Irene

[Arnold]

REMEMBER YOUR CREATOR

1 Remember your Creator, in the days of your youth;
Before the time of trouble will appear.
Remember your Creator, He's the Author of all truth,
Remember now before the years draw near.

2 All Sons and Daughters listen, His laws we should live,
And write them on the table of our hearts.
To all the House of Israel it's the covenant He gives.
He'll be our God, we'll never be apart.

3 Now all these things are written, as examples for you,
With every word inspired for our good.
So live as God commanded, let no man despise you youth.
And live your life as God said we should.

4 Remember your Creator, in the days of your youth,
Before the time of trouble will appear.
Remember your Creator He's the Author of all truth.
Remember now before the years draws near…….

Peace and Love Irene

[Arnold]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 05 2010,13:28)

Hi All, It seems to me and some others that certain behaviors on HN have been tolerated for too long.  Some of the things we say to, and about each other are anything but Christian; and some people even downright lie about another.  I, for one would like to see this behavior curbed. I think we sometimes forget that we have non-members reading our posts – some of them maybe on the verge of giving their lives over to God and His Christ.  Let's not scare them off with our poor behavior and mean spirited posts. I'm not talking about the occasional "you're an idiot" stuff……although that is definitely not Christian behavior either.  I'm talking about the posts that actually border on hate.  I'm talking about people claiming something about another member that isn't even close to being true.  This includes twisting someone's words. This is what I propose:  If you have had someone post something hateful or untrue about you or your beliefs, bring it up here in this thread.  Paste what was said about you and by whom.  That person can either: 1.  Defend themselves by explaining and showing proof that what they posted was not a lie or a twisting of your words. 2.  Appeal their case to the moderators that the "hateful" thing they said should not be considered "crossing the line" due to the circumstances involved.  (A moderator will then decide if a warning block is required or not.) 3.  Publicly apologize for the offense directly to you on this thread to avoid a warning block. 4.  Ignore your post and automatically receive a warning block from a moderator. Together, we can make HeavenNet a place where Christians act and post with love and respect for each other, despite the occasional good natured ribbing or sarcasm. peace and love, mike

Mike! I wonder though if whoever is the offender will come here or even post. I really doubt it…. Time will tell…Will the Moderator honor your request?.Irene

[Arnold]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 05 2010,19:49)

Quote occasional "you're an idiot" stuff…… haha Thats SF! (so funny)

Even that should not be tolerated, it is not like a Christian at all…. I also believe that the Moderators are somewhat slake in given a tile. Martian did receive a warning from Heaven, but not a tile so all could see that He got a warning. What is so funny, that at the same time I got a false warning from someone. Who it was I just guessed. He or Her signed it Cheers. So I know it did not come from a Moderator….Heaven always has His Aviator on His posts….
It did not scare me at all. I know who it was…..
Peace Irene

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