Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2012,02:53)Quote (AndrewAD @ Sep. 30 2012,19:04)Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.Revelation 13:8NASB © All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2012,03:37)Quote (AndrewAD @ Oct. 02 2012,01:09)Now according to the trinitarian dogma God can't have a God because they are three equal persons,each being in and of themselves the one true God.But this verse says God does have a God.Another good post, Andrew.What you say is true of “real” Trinitarians, since they…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 03 2012,01:04)Hi Andrew,Ok, I will again go through your post and address each point.you said:Quote I certainly have no problem with scripture and or any of the verses you posted other than a few that I believe have been misconstrued by the translators.So you admit that your ideas do not line up with all those scriptures as…[Read more]

Kathi,I certainly have no problem with scripture and or any of the verses you posted other than a few that I believe have been misconstrued by the translators.I certainly believe Christ is divine,He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and is the Son of God,the Lord and Christ and he is called God in scripture such as in Hebrews 1:9 Thou hast loved…[Read more]

Kathi,My first question about this ancient Syriac document is if it was found with one of St.Peters teeth or an angel feather to help authenticate it. Its interesting how the author uses Petrine and Johannine thought coupled with liturgical and much later theological expressions.Clearly something Peter would never preach.Compare with Acts 2:22 Ye…[Read more]

Quote Kathi is it really that heroic or that great of an accomplishment if a God become man did what Jesus the man actually did?Yes…if you think otherwise you simply lack the perspective of lowering yourself to such a degree as He did and also lack the perspective of how wonderful the glory was that He had before He gave it up. As a slight and…[Read more]

Quote (AndrewAD @ Sep. 30 2012,22:11)Quote He chose to limit Himself, that is not a defect but an act of heroism.Kathi is it really that heroic or that great of an accomplishment if a God become man did what Jesus the man actually did?Many gods have done heroic things in the form of man or so many of the ancients believed.So the God Jesus left…[Read more]

Quote He chose to limit Himself, that is not a defect but an act of heroism.Kathi is it really that heroic or that great of an accomplishment if a God become man did what Jesus the man actually did?Many gods have done heroic things in the form of man or so many of the ancients believed.So the God Jesus left glory, assumed human flesh,did some…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 29 2012,08:41)Quote (AndrewAD @ Sep. 27 2012,21:55)Andrew, Do you realize that the Son who was God in the beginning with God, emptied Himself and was made lower than the angels and thus would certainly need to be given power and direction from His Father since He emptied Himself? The Son did not come here in His…[Read more]

Andrew, Do you realize that the Son who was God in the beginning with God, emptied Himself and was made lower than the angels and thus would certainly need to be given power and direction from His Father since He emptied Himself? The Son did not come here in His inauguration without emptying Himself first.God bless!Hi Kathi and God bless you…[Read more]

The Nicene creed sounds holy and reverent and I've said it many times and nearly knew it by heart at one point,but now I have to ask myself if it's truly scriptural or does it make a tangled web out of God,Jesus and the Bible.Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall…[Read more]

Thanks for sharing these scriptures st,and I agree with your opinions and advice as well.Love is the key;I dont want to get in a big argument with others and know thats what it could easily turn into.When I first started reading the bible for myself at seventeen I think God was showing me that the trinity wasn't true but I felt i might be wrong…[Read more]

I'm feeling what you say here Journey and have been having some similar thoughts today.I've been studying,praying and learning more about the trinity doctrine lately and am realizing just how false and deceiving it is.Since my doubts first began a few months ago on this topic I was back and forth on it for awhile.Being raised a Roman Catholic I've…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2012,18:28)Quote (AndrewAD @ July 15 2012,03:24)Quote (Ed J @ July 10 2012,15:41)Hi Andrew, welcome to H-net!Did you get all 20 questions right?God blessEd J Hi Ed,Thanks for the welcome! But what are the 20 questions? I guess I missed seeing that somewhere.Tbh I don't see that Jesus,Paul or anywhere in scripture explicitly…[Read more]

Hey thanks Gene and Mike,and since thinking and praying on these things I think I'm really starting to see Jesus in a better light as to how He lived as a human in total reliance on God through the Spirit as we're to live now.And when I started to feel confused about the doctrine and even a sense of fear,it was that scripture that you related Mike…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 10 2012,15:41)Hi Andrew, welcome to H-net!Did you get all 20 questions right?God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed,Thanks for the welcome! But what are the 20 questions? I guess I missed seeing that somewhere.Tbh I don't see that Jesus,Paul or anywhere in scripture explicitly teaches the trinity…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2012,15:39)AndrewQuote so I'm going to remain a trinitarian;I never was a trinitarian and yet I was born in a catholic environment ,but i never pick up what I could not read and understand clearly into the scriptures,I would advice you to do the same ,it is your soul you dealing for ,this is all we all have ,and only…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 10 2012,15:38)Hi AndrewAD,I understand where you are coming from. I have read the writings of the early church fathers and there was a time that the Holy Spirit was not distinguished as a person. I have thought of their teachings as the early trinity…the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit…two persons and the Spirit…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 10 2012,13:28)Hi AndrewAD,I call myself a Christian. I don't care much for extra-Biblical labels. The labels may help somewhat to understand one's Christology but when the rubber meets the road, not all trinitarians believe the same, nor arians, nor unitarians, etc. From what I can tell, you do not understand trinitarians…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2012,13:14)Quote (AndrewAD @ July 10 2012,19:57)Thanks for all the warm welcomes.It was my internet search on the trinity doctrine that led me to this site and the excellent article on the homepage.I spent the whole day and evening reading it.I really appreciated the spirit it was written in and the thorough examination…[Read more]