What widely reported statements that a curtain was hung shortly thereafter do you refer to? I’ve never read or heard of any.What is your source for this?

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 16 2012,13:45)Andrew,I never saw the Nicene creed as making three Gods to be one. I don't think that the Nicene Creed specifically mentions that. I really don't see a difference between those Arian confessions and the Nicene creed. Why do you like the confession if it says that the Son was begotten before the ages? It…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 16 2012,13:45)Andrew,I never saw the Nicene creed as making three Gods to be one. I don't think that the Nicene Creed specifically mentions that. I really don't see a difference between those Arian confessions and the Nicene creed. Why do you like the confession if it says that the Son was begotten before the ages? It…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 16 2012,12:17)Andrew, I agree with that confession.I actually like this confession too;better than Nicea since it doesn't create three Gods and try to make them be one. This confession is The Second Arian Confession (Antioch, 341 AD) In 341 A.D. two Arian Councils were held in Antioch, Palestine; ninety-seven Bishops…[Read more]

I mostly like the anathemas at the end

We believe, conformably to the evangelical and apostolical tradition, in one God, the father almighty, the framer, and maker, and provider of the universe, from whom are all things.And in one Lord Jesus Christ, his son, only-begotten god/deity , by whom are all things, who was begotten before all ages from the father, god from God , whole from…[Read more]

That's awesome-congratulations!-on thirty one years. Hope you had a great date! I was married for five years and have a thirteen year old daughter who lives with me.My ex-wife calls herself an atheist now and is basically anti-Christianity.But I still care for her and am praying for her.

Hi Kathy and thanks for your kind response,I appreciate you relating to where I am at in my theology at this point.As I related to you in one of my responses in the Divider of Christians thread I feel we see some things similarly to the which you responded that we”unfortunately don't”Perhaps I haven't or don't relate my thinking clearly and as…[Read more]

I can defend my positions rather well with scripture and I have but all you do is say i don't understand.I believe the words Jesus spoke were true and they don't contradict the OT or the rest of NT.I praise Jesus for setting me free from a religious spirit that you have.And btw to let you know I didn't accept everything T8 said in his article on…[Read more]

I observe Christmas,Easter and pass out candy,and carve a jack-o-lantern on Halloween too.I've been told that doing such on halloween makes me a devil worshiper since all these things can be traced back to the druids.I do understand that many of the church traditions and holidays are traced back to pagan holidays and Christianity adopted much…[Read more]

I like these words posted from the thread starter.I truly believe in grace and can only give all praise to God and Christ.If any man glory let him glory in the Lord!I learned of God's sovereignty and sovereign grace first from the Spirit as a new believer but rejected that too for freewill.It was years later I found there were others who once did…[Read more]

Lets just agree to disagree.If you don't like what I say you don't have to read it.You stand for the truth as you see it and so do I.Anything I say you will disagree and accuse me of not understanding so just don't read what I say.Count me a heretic if you wish.I can tell you how I believe in a literal Son of God but that will never be good enough…[Read more]

Ed,Quote Hi Andrew,How was I telling you that? …I certainly did not say that. Sorry Ed thats for Kathi but thanks for pointing that out and I can't even edit!!—So hey Kathi it's for you-on pg 15

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 05 2012,03:57)Quote (AndrewAD @ Oct. 03 2012,18:47)If I understand the trinity doctrine correctly they do teach Jesus was 100% God and 100% man at the same time on earth and in heaven right?Right, but then, when confronted with the scriptures that teach of Jesus praying to, obeying, and worshiping his and our God, they…[Read more]

Quote For instance, Mike believes in the pre-existent Son of God and you don't believe in a pre-existent Son of God.Yes I knew that from some of his statements and if you'd asked me a month ago or less I would've agreed.I'm still learning or rather re-learning.I'm not dead set on many things.And on some points I don't know that we have to be;I…[Read more]

MikeQuote That, coupled with the fact that Jesus WASN'T slain from the foundation of the world, but was slain in 33 AD, leans me toward the translations I've quoted.  He couldn't come to the earth as a sacrificial lamb if he had already been sacrificed a long time before that.Quote (Although, there are many examples of God speaking of things that…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 05 2012,03:01)Quote (AndrewAD @ Oct. 03 2012,15:42)I looked into the church a bit and felt tempted to join for the food alone;there's some wealthy Greeks who can really put on a wonderful spread.It is said that the way to a man's heart is through his stomach!  Quote (AndrewAD @ Oct. 03 2012,15:42)But this document is just…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 05 2012,02:58)Quote (AndrewAD @ Oct. 03 2012,16:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2012,02:57)Quote (AndrewAD @ Oct. 01 2012,15:04)Kathi,My first question about this ancient Syriac document is if it was found with one of St.Peters teeth or an angel feather to help authenticate it. Its interesting how the author uses Petrine and…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2012,03:37)Quote (AndrewAD @ Oct. 02 2012,01:09)Now according to the trinitarian dogma God can't have a God because they are three equal persons,each being in and of themselves the one true God.But this verse says God does have a God.Another good post, Andrew.What you say is true of “real” Trinitarians, since they…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2012,02:57)Quote (AndrewAD @ Oct. 01 2012,15:04)Kathi,My first question about this ancient Syriac document is if it was found with one of St.Peters teeth or an angel feather to help authenticate it. Its interesting how the author uses Petrine and Johannine thought coupled with liturgical and much later theological…[Read more]