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    AndrewAD replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 5 months ago

    Hoghead,

    I got the feeling you did not like being called a modalist in view of your sometimes staunch view of trinity,but of course not a matter of life or death.And tbh I’ve come to the point also that love and fellowship matters more than doctrine.I do pray and care no matter what. If there be a god who damns me for that then so be it then.

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    Hoghead,

    You can call yourself a scholar or theologian in your boastful pride because you went to a big ten school,ivy league or whatever but you should realize that as students of scripture we are all theologians which simply means knowing God.We are all on our own journey and all of us influenced differently.And that’s what I really like about…[Read more]

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    Dear Kerwin,

    You say “I believe everyone is homosexual to some point because it is a desire of the flesh but they find it so objectionable that they overcome without being consciously aware”

    What kind of goofy statement is that? people overcome it without even being consciously aware of it? is that your convoluted excuse for not consciously …[Read more]

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    Yes Gene’s doctrine is one of Satan’s new gimmicks.

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    AndrewAD replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 5 months ago

    Perhaps it just goes to show that God knows our true hearts and He isn’t so prejudice about our “true” doctrines.?

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    AndrewAD replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 5 months ago

    Dear T8,

    Don’t you think that you you are taking it a little far by saying

    “The verse is simple and clear. I do not even need to explain it.

    You seem to preach an opposite meaning by saying that there is one God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

    A child can read it as saying, there is one God the Father, and that Jesus the messiah was…[Read more]

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    AndrewAD replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 5 months ago

    Dear Hoghead,

    I never accused you of accusing Calvin or Augustine and it was I that brought out the fact that Augustine had to lean on modalism in his examples  to support the trinity as many trins still unknowingly do today. But most trins who actually argue about this would not go so far to speak as you do which is clearly modalism.They know…[Read more]

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    AndrewAD replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 5 months ago

    Dear Hoghead,

    First off please realize I made no “heresy” charge at you but simply pointed out that what you describe as trinity is modalism and not trinitarianism. And I also could care less about being called a heretic by anyone. And what you further say about God having internal social relationships within himself is clearly modalistic and not…[Read more]

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    AndrewAD replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 5 months ago

    Hello Hoghead,

    You say” the Trinity can be a problem  because any Trinitarian teaching that suggests there are three separate subjectivities within the Godhead automatically degenerates into tritheism or polytheism., which is wholly incompatible with Scripture, obviously.” which is what trinitarianism actually does say. ” Thought of, however, in…[Read more]

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    Dear Nick,

    Please remember that Jesus does say in Matt.6:19-21 to lay not up treasures on earth but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven where moth and rust cannot corrupt nor thieves can steal. For where our treasure is there our hearts shall be also. This seems to say our heart and  hope should be heaven.

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    AndrewAD replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 6 months ago

    Ehrman does very much affirm the deity of Christ taught in John’s gospel.Not that he personally believes it but he definitely affirms it taught there even in the I am verses besides Jn 1.

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    I have read that some of the Greco Romans were so misogynist that it was actually a greater thing to have sex or love relationship with a man than a lowly woman. But as far as closet homos in certain societies I have a hard time believing  it’s all a twisted psychosomatic search for power. Maybe for some but I just can’t see all of them being…[Read more]

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    AndrewAD replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 6 months ago

    Sure there are a lot of verses to throw into the mix but without the basis of  St John it’s very much weakened. And a few verses from the OT have a better trinitarian leg to stand on based on the interpretations of St John’s gospel.

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    Thanks for those examples on mysticism Hoghead for now I see where you were coming from on that.When you said imagery I was thinking more about physical imagery as in art. This even reminds me of the charismatic fad about Song of Solomon/Jesus bride, a few years back. Some of that to me seemed like having sexual fantasies with Jesus.

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    AndrewAD replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 6 months ago

    It’s St Johns gospel that specifically identifies three divine persons although also presenting Jesus as trusting the one who he claims to be one with. Without John’s gospel and Matt 28:19 there would probably be no Trinity.It is an inferred doctrine as they claim but that is no different than some other popular Christian teachings.

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    AndrewAD replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 8 years, 6 months ago

    I wouldn’t call Ehrman an anti-trinitarian since he’s not claiming to be a theologian.But he does believe in a real Jesus who was just human who later evolved into a god or God albeit by the scriptural writers themselves.

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    And just what Christian mystic tradition is rich in erotic imagery? most Christian mystics that I know of were celibates except for maybe Rasputin.

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    Hoghead,

    You say our our sexual impulses are largely culturally determined and none of us are born hetero or homo? if that be true then why has there always been closet homos in Christendom,Judaism and even Islam,and other cultures where homosexuality is extremely taboo. And it’s not all because these people whether male or female were sexually…[Read more]

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    And btw Marty I wasn’t asking the question as to where is God but answering it since that is the title of this post and my answer was from our bible.

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    Marty,

    You say God is a living person who lives in heaven and everywhere in his creation and in every born again believer. Of course i understand this is what our faith teaches us. But why is it our faith ? is it not because we believe it-walk by faith and not by sight. Is there evidence/ proof God has a throne in heaven or that Jesus was his…[Read more]

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