As I already told you Nick, it’s plain and simple in the context. It’s all about Jesus not the Father or Jehovah or Yahweh. It’s referring to Jesus ! deny it all you wish but it doesn’t change the fact of what St John says.

John 12:37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:

John 12:38 That the saying of…[Read more]

I don’t presume anything. Are we not talking of what John says about Isaiah’s vision ? If you choose your interpretation over John’s then so be it.As I said before maybe St John is wrong in your eyes and that does seem to be the case.

No it is never said in 2Thess that a false version of Jesus or a trinity would declare himself God but rather a man of sin would.But Gene in his rose colored machinations would have us believe this.

Hi Nick,

St John says Isaiah saw Christ.Yet you deny it. Why would you do that?

Even Gene says the Spirit of Christ is God and therefore preexisted,so why is it wrong to say that when Isaiah saw God he saw Christ as John says?

Just read it in the context please.It’s not hard to figure out. You accuse me of “presumption” while at the same time you perhaps accuse St John of being a false prophet? maybe he is if he disagrees with you.

Dear Nick,

You say”John did not say that.”  But oh yes he did Jn12 :41 KJV “These things said Esias when he his glory and spake of him” The  glory John claims Isaiah saw is Christ.It matters not what translation you read the meaning is the same

Dear Gene,

So you are saying the Spirit of  Christ is God and therefore preexisted? none are arguing here that the body of Christ preexisted. So when Isaiah had his epiphany he indeed saw Christ even as John 12 attests to correct?

Jael,

I come not in the name of trinity,but you need to realize the various books of the bible you refer to do not use the same type of logic.They each need to be considered individually in their own context.

In Matthews version of the judgement Christians would be rejected/condemned,and in the book of Revelation chapter 20 it doesn’t say that there were no names written in the Lamb’s book of life now does it? Yet the popular dispensational thinking is that all who appear at this judgement are condemned already. I don’t buy into two judgements as I…[Read more]

In Matthews version of the judgement Christians would be rejected/condemned,and in the book of Revelation chapter 20 it doesn’t say that there were no names written in the Lamb’s book of life now does it? Yet the popular dispensational thinking is that all who appear at this judgement are condemned already. I don’t buy into two judgements as I…[Read more]

Dear Marty,

The Bible says that people saw God and also that people can’t see God so don’t be intimidated by those who choose only one side.I know you see what St Jn 12 actually says.I’ve brought up this verse many times and those who can’t accept it have their ways of skirting around it and denying what it really says.John’s gospel teaches…[Read more]

Hi Nick

But as far as the present goes they’re dead right? Jesus seemed to think they were alive two thousand years ago. Or maybe he was just speaking by faith even as God does,who calls things which be not as though they were?

If they’re really alive maybe I can ask them to pray for you.

Hi Nick,

So the virgin birth made no difference at all according to you and I was expecting Jn 5:24 as from a good baptist or foolish pentacostal. You can claim you’re saved all you want as can i but you don’t really know till death or judgement or however that may go. Is that right or do you have paradise now? if so then good for you.

Hi Nick,

You bypass my pertinent questions and fall back on evangelicalism to preach to the choir. But I believe it’s you who needs to be saved. And just how will you not be judged according to your works and escape the final judgement? scripture doesn’t tell you that but maybe freewill baptist preachers and the like do. Will you plead the…[Read more]

Nick,

Are Abraham,Isaac,Jacob and Jesus all alive with Joseph Smith on Planet X or maybe they all have their own planets? I know you don’t think they’re all in “heaven”.

And just how are Abraham,Issac, and Jacob still alive? is it really just in an “anointing spirit”? so they were raised from death in the same fashion as Jesus? and what of virgin birth? does that have any significance? some Christians don’t believe in that either so I understand if you don’t.

Dear Kerwin,

“You are seeing what is not in my writing”  But of course the so called omniscience and omnipotence have to take a backseat to man’s freedom.That’s okay with me too but I don’t think Paul saw it that way according to Rom 9,10, and 11.And yes of course it applies to all sins no matter which way we look at it.

Nick,

“Sons of Adam are earthen vessels.” So Jesus body was a son of Adam but was his spirit also? or was his spirit actually a son of God?

And was his body really a son of Adam since he was born of a virgin?  just what need was there for a virgin birth according to you?

Nick,

“Sons of Adam are earthen vessels.” So Jesus body was a son of Adam but was his spirit also? or was his spirit actually a son of God?

And was his body really a son of Adam since he was born of a virgin?  just what need was their for a virgin birth according to you?