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    Hi Pierre:You say:Quote but Christ the son of God the creator does not mix with women and it says that his son was created BEFORE ALL CREATION ,AND THAT ALL THINGS WERE CREATED THROUGH HIM ,if this is true then Christ preexisted his birth as a man, But no, the scripture does not say that “His Son was created before all of creation”. I believe…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2012,01:14)Quote (942767 @ June 30 2012,20:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2012,10:14)Marty,Is it scriptural that John the Baptist called Jesus “the Lamb of God” – even though Jesus wasn't literally a lamb?  YES or NO?Yes.Hi Marty,And is it scriptural that Jesus is called by the name “the Word of God” – even though he…[Read more]

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    Hi Kerwin:You say:Quote Scriptures=Writings. It is just traditions that lead us to say Scriptures.There is no mention of Jesus in 1 Corinthians 15:45-47. That interpretation is based on tradition, the idea Jesus is a being whose body consists of spirit and that Jesus is the first man of the new creation. The KJV also has added words that…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (t8 @ June 30 2012,12:52)Quote (942767 @ June 30 2012,12:30)The word “morphe” indicates and outward appearance, and the scripture in Philippians states:Quote 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon…[Read more]

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    Quote (t8 @ June 30 2012,12:42)Quote (942767 @ June 30 2012,12:30)Hi t8:You say:Quote Interestingly enough Jesus has been seen while in this glory, and that glory was what he had before the world began.Here's the thing Marty.I only quoted you scripture and you took it to mean that he existed as a sentient person. I made no such reference in this…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2012,10:14)Marty,Is it scriptural that John the Baptist called Jesus “the Lamb of God” – even though Jesus wasn't literally a lamb?  YES or NO?Yes.

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    Quote (kerwin @ June 30 2012,18:30)Marty;Do you believe that Jesus is called the Second Adam in the Writings?  If so; where is he so called; and why is he called that?Was Adam sired of either or woman?  Is God both his mother and father?Was Eve sired of a woman?  Is God her mother and Adam her father?Do you believe God sires children in the sa…[Read more]

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    Quote (terraricca @ June 30 2012,15:36)MartyQuote And he is before all of God's creation in the sense that God created every thing that he created by him and for him.  God's plan before the world began was to reconcile the world unto Himself through His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.I did not see this ; God's plan before the world began”  so w…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2012,10:07)Quote (942767 @ June 29 2012,16:30)He says and “Now glorify me”, and NOT “and now glorify me again with the glory which I had with thee before the world was”.And you don't think the words “with the glory I HAD” indicates a previous glory?  Isn't “again” implied if Jesus is asking to be glorified NOW with the…[Read more]

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    Hi Pierre:Jesus was born of a woman just as all men after the First Adam have been except that he was not born of the sperm of man, but God by His Holy Spirit overshadowed the virgin Mary and she conceived in her womb. And so, although he was and is a man, God is His Father. He was not fathered by any man.Quote Romans 1King James Version (KJV)1…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2012,10:26)Quote (942767 @ June 29 2012,17:12)Hi Mike:The scripture states that God is invisible.  I do not know a scripture which states that angels are invisible.Look at Col 1:16 and John 3:8.  Are you going to seriously claim that angels, as spirit beings, are not invisible to human beings?Why then would God have t…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (terraricca @ June 30 2012,10:15)Quote (942767 @ June 30 2012,16:55)Quote (terraricca @ June 30 2012,09:45)MartyQuote he did not pre-exist as a sentient person prior to his birth into this world.Love in Christ,Marty then Christ his a new creation ??? and if so God lied when he said he rested on the seventh day ,or the seventh day expired at…[Read more]

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    Quote (terraricca @ June 30 2012,10:29)Quote (942767 @ June 30 2012,16:46)Quote (terraricca @ June 27 2012,15:02)Quote (942767 @ June 27 2012,21:36)Quote (terraricca @ June 27 2012,12:02)MartyQuote Son made of a womanI have never seen this in scriptures can you point it out to me ,and is the offspring not from the man rather than a women ,is it…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2012,09:57)Quote (942767 @ June 29 2012,16:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 28 2012,11:28)Hey Marty,No MAN has ever seen God.  But other spirit beings, like the angels of little children, see His face every day.Matthew 18:10“See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in he…[Read more]

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    Quote (seekingtruth @ June 29 2012,13:53)Please pray for my mother she had two seizures tonight and is in the hospital. My brother-in-law has 8 hours of cancer surgery tomorrow and between both my sister is a wreck.Thank youHi William:I am praying for your mother, brother-in-law, and your sister.Are they all Christians?Love in Christ,Marty

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (terraricca @ June 30 2012,09:45)MartyQuote he did not pre-exist as a sentient person prior to his birth into this world.Love in Christ,Marty then Christ his a new creation ??? and if so God lied when he said he rested on the seventh day ,or the seventh day expired at Christ conception ???if Christ is man 100% then his father his not God ,so what…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 28 2012,10:39)Quote (942767 @ June 26 2012,21:31)Hi Mike:Yes, my name is Marty, and his name is Jesus is that not correct?  He is called “the Everlasting Father”.  Is he “the Everlasting Father”, Mike?Love in Christ,MartyHi Marty,And if you also were known by the name “Sledgehammer”, could I look at you and say, “There g…[Read more]

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    Quote (terraricca @ June 27 2012,15:02)Quote (942767 @ June 27 2012,21:36)Quote (terraricca @ June 27 2012,12:02)MartyQuote Son made of a womanI have never seen this in scriptures can you point it out to me ,and is the offspring not from the man rather than a women ,is it not the man that fertilized the women ????is it not the male that provide live ???[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (t8 @ June 29 2012,09:41)Quote (942767 @ June 27 2012,13:53)Hi t8:I asked “Can you see a spirit”, not if you can see “a spirit that has a body”, and even so, you can see the body, but you cannot see the spirit except through the life that is lived through the body.And can you show me by the scriptures that Jesus had a body prior to being…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 28 2012,11:28)Hey Marty,No MAN has ever seen God.  But other spirit beings, like the angels of little children, see His face every day.Matthew 18:10“See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.Marty, the point is not th…[Read more]

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