Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 24 2013,10:55)Quote (942767 @ Sep. 22 2013,19:56)And so, do you know just any old regular man who would suffer all that he did so that we could be reconciled to our God?That's the thing, Marty.  YOUR Jesus didn't really sacrifice anything at all.  If Jesus was just a man like the rest of us, destined to someday die a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 24 2013,10:30)Quote (942767 @ Sep. 22 2013,19:47)I can show by the scriptures that he was a human being………Good Marty.  So can I.    I've never claimed that Jesus wasn't at one point a human being.Yes, Mike, we have scripture for that, don't we?Now, please give me scripture that shows beyond a shadow of a doubt, th…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 24 2013,02:20)This scipture should be enough to clarify things pertaining The Son.The Word came down and went up again.  Ephesians 4:10   He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)wakeup.Hi Wakeup:I thought that we agreed that the Word is another way of saying “…[Read more]

\Quote (4Thomas @ Sep. 23 2013,18:48)Quote (942767 @ Sep. 23 2013,14:17)Hi Mike:This is what the scriptures state:Quote Idolatry Is Foolishness9 Those who make an image, all of them are useless,And their precious things shall not profit;They are their own witnesses;They neither see nor know, that they may be ashamed.10 Who would form a god or mold…[Read more]

Hi Mike:This is what the scriptures state:Quote Idolatry Is Foolishness9 Those who make an image, all of them are useless,And their precious things shall not profit;They are their own witnesses;They neither see nor know, that they may be ashamed.10 Who would form a god or mold an imageThat profits him nothing?11 Surely all his companions would be…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Sep. 23 2013,10:48)Quote (942767 @ Sep. 22 2013,10:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,10:03)Quote (942767 @ Sep. 20 2013,17:46)No, Mike, I have already discussed all of this with you.  The Apostle Paul was looking back at the ministry of Jesus while he was here on earth, and so, yes, it is looking back at this, but saying,…[Read more]

And so, do you know just any old regular man who would suffer all that he did so that we could be reconciled to our God?  Yet, the scriptures, not I by my opinion, state precisely that “he was a man”.Love in Christ,Marty

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,11:21)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Sep. 22 2013,17:48)Paul was speaking about His incarnation. A child can understand it.Unless that child has a strong personal desire for Jesus to never have been anything other than a regular old human being like the rest of us.  Hi Mike:I can show by the scriptures that he was a human…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,11:17)Quote (942767 @ Sep. 22 2013,10:27)What Jesus is speaking about relative to seeing God is seeing Him through the life that he lives………So why did Jesus and John (and others) all say that no one but Jesus has seen God?Don't Moses, Abraham, Samuel, David, and a slew of others fit the definition you're…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 23 2013,06:50)Wrong.  Satan is one of those gods, and he has shown his incredible power countless times throughout scripture.  Read Job 1 and 2 again, Marty, and then tell me how “powerless” Satan is.Please answer my question:  Does the fact that the Israelites acknowledged the EXISTENCE of the idols of the nations mean th…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,15:08)Quote (942767 @ Sep. 19 2013,19:44)If you want other gods, you can have them.  You can make any thing or anyone “a god”, but all that is idolatry.I also wanted to address this comment from before.We all know from scripture that the Israelites were often called on by Jehovah to destroy the idols of the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,09:59)Quote (942767 @ Sep. 20 2013,17:31)This is not speaking of seeing him with the eye, human or otherwise, God is invisible.Matthew 18:10 “See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.”God is invisible to us, Marty.  …[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,15:17)Quote (942767 @ Sep. 21 2013,19:02)So you realize that “was existing/existed” is implied from the past tense form of the rest of the statement, right?We agree that all the things Paul mentioned in verses 6-11 had already happened in the past, despite the fact Paul used the present tense word “existing”,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,10:25)Quote (942767 @ Sep. 21 2013,17:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,10:03)Do you believe Paul was telling us that Jesus was existing in the form/image of God while he was a human being on earth?  Was it at that time that he didn't consider equality with God something to be grasped?Hi Mike:Yes, I do think…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,10:28)Yes Marty,Men have often made graven images and worshiped them as if they were gods all throughout history.Does the fact remain that Jehovah said He was the ONLY rock when we know there exist other rocks?  YES.Does the fact remain that Jehovah said there was no god besides Him when we know there exist other…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,10:03)Quote (942767 @ Sep. 20 2013,17:46)No, Mike, I have already discussed all of this with you.  The Apostle Paul was looking back at the ministry of Jesus while he was here on earth, and so, yes, it is looking back at this, but saying, “who existing in the form of God…” in order to bring his intent to the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,09:48)Quote (942767 @ Sep. 19 2013,19:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 20 2013,12:29)Oh I've got a lot more arguments, Marty.What we've run out of is ANSWERS from you.  Please tell me how Jehovah could say, “THERE IS NO OTHER ROCK”, when we know many rocks exist.Or better yet, simply tell me if His words in Isaiah 44:8…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2013,09:13)Quote (942767 @ Sep. 19 2013,19:50)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 20 2013,12:26)Are all the other things Paul wrote about in that sentence PAST TENSE events?  Yes.  So since the statement AS A WHOLE is a PAST TENSE statement, it means that “WAS existing” is implied in verse 6.And “he WAS existing” means the same e…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2013,09:16)Quote (942767 @ Sep. 19 2013,20:19)And to t8's point relative to the following scripture in another restricted thread:Quote John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.No man up to this point had seen or understood God's true…[Read more]

Hi Wakeup:”His(Israel's) redeemer” in Isaiah 44:6 refers back to Jehovah, Himself, Israel's redeemer. (His redeemer, Jehovah, Israel's redeemer.)Love in Christ,Marty