Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 17 2013,11:30)Quote (942767 @ Oct. 14 2013,14:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 13 2013,12:31)1.  Are you telling me that the SAYINGS of God were both with God and were God in the beginning?  2.  Are you telling me that the SAYINGS of God actually became a flesh and blood man, who dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only be…[Read more]

Hi Wakeup: I have already given you scripture, rev 4:11, which plainly states who is the creator.Love in Christ,Marty

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 16 2013,23:34)Quote (942767 @ Oct. 16 2013,10:11)Hi Wakeup:You say:Quote At the coming he will be called; The Word Of God.Well, not exactly.  This is what the scripture states:Quote Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.“His name” here refers to the character he…[Read more]

Hi Wakeup:You say:Quote At the coming he will be called; The Word Of God.Well, not exactly. This is what the scripture states:Quote Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.“His name” here refers to the character he exemplifies because he has obeyed the Word of God without sin even unto…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 13 2013,12:31)Quote (942767 @ Oct. 12 2013,15:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 13 2013,03:04)1.  Are you telling me that the SAYINGS of God were both with God and were God in the beginning?  2.  Are you telling me that the SAYINGS of God actually became a flesh and blood man, who dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only be…[Read more]

Hi Wakeup:And so, you agree that in the verses in Revelation 4, it is God who is shown sitting on the throne, and if you agree, then,Quote Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Who is the creator? Jesus is shown taking the seven…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 14 2013,11:56)Quote (942767 @ Oct. 14 2013,11:09)Hi Wakeup:'You say:Quote He was made flesh, by birth,the only begotten of God.Born by the *WILL* of God.*Now only* is he the Son of God;*Now only* is God his father,and his God.For he was made as his brethren/the Son of man/the Son of David.So, the Word was made flesh by birth,…[Read more]

Hi Wakeup:'You say:Quote He was made flesh, by birth,the only begotten of God.Born by the *WILL* of God.*Now only* is he the Son of God;*Now only* is God his father,and his God.For he was made as his brethren/the Son of man/the Son of David.So, the Word was made flesh by birth, that is to say when the Word, Jesus, was born of the virgin Mary? And…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 14 2013,03:40)Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 03 2013,21:51)Kerwin,The Word was made, made, made, flesh.From *flesh to flesh* as you say it is.This alone is a strange, and contradicting interpretation.I say from spirit to flesh. Made from one thing to another thing.wakeup.So simple – yet so brilliantly put.  Well done, Wakeup.Hi…[Read more]

Hi Wakeup:You use Revelation 4:11 to try to make your point and then when I show you that you are understanding this incorrectly you just gloss right over what has been shown you, and go right on with your thinking that Jesus is the creator.Let me post this for you again since you brought up Revelation 4:11. These scriptures when read in context…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 13 2013,03:04)Quote (942767 @ Oct. 11 2013,19:29)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 10 2013,10:57)Quote (942767 @ Oct. 08 2013,18:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 08 2013,11:17)1.  Are you telling me that a SAYING of God was both with God and was God in the beginning?  2.  Are you telling me that a SAYING of God actually became a fl…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 11 2013,09:00)Quote (942767 @ Oct. 11 2013,02:39)Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 10 2013,13:40)Quote (942767 @ Oct. 10 2013,03:55)Hi Wakeup:The scriptures that you quote from Jeremiah is God speaking to Jeremiah, but God spoke to the nation of Israel through Jeremiah warning them of the impending judgment to come if they did not repent.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 10 2013,10:57)Quote (942767 @ Oct. 08 2013,18:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 08 2013,11:17)1.  Are you telling me that a SAYING of God was both with God and was God in the beginning?  2.  Are you telling me that a SAYING of God actually became a flesh and blood man, who dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only be…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 10 2013,13:40)Quote (942767 @ Oct. 10 2013,03:55)Hi Wakeup:The scriptures that you quote from Jeremiah is God speaking to Jeremiah, but God spoke to the nation of Israel through Jeremiah warning them of the impending judgment to come if they did not repent.  You say that Only Jesus is the Word of God?  The scripture in H…[Read more]

Hi Wakeup:The scriptures that you quote from Jeremiah is God speaking to Jeremiah, but God spoke to the nation of Israel through Jeremiah warning them of the impending judgment to come if they did not repent.  You say that Only Jesus is the Word of God?  The scripture in Hebrews 1 would surely disagree with you on this assessment, and Jesus is G…[Read more]

Hi Wakeup:Yes, God spoke through Elijah, he was a prophet, and He spoke through John the Baptist of whom it was said by Jesus that he was Elijah who was to come as a forerunner to his ministry, meaning that John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah, and right God spoke through Jesus just as he did through any prophet, but no prophet other than…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 08 2013,11:17)Quote (942767 @ Oct. 06 2013,19:01)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Okay, now we're getting nearer to clearer.  1.  Are you telling me that a SAYING of God was both with God and was God in the beginning?  2.  Are you telling me that a SAYING of God actually became a flesh and blood man, who dwelled on earth with the glo…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 07 2013,11:13)So Marty,What you're saying is that you have to ALTER the words “elohim” and “theos”, which both clearly mean “god”, and pretend that Psalm 45:6 and Hebrews 1:8 say “godlike one”?The words, both in the Hebrew psalm and the Greek quotation of it, mean “god”.  And it is only your insistence on putting your own…[Read more]

Hi Mike:I said, that it was God's plan for Jesus to be conceived by the Holy Ghost from the beginning, and you saidQuote I don't deny that at all. Our difference is that I believe Jesus was an existing being at the time God devised this plan, and you don't. But we agree that it was foretold long before it happened that the Messiah would come…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 07 2013,08:25)Quote (942767 @ Oct. 07 2013,06:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 06 2013,12:09)There is a “HE was with God in the beginning”, right?Now, please explain to me how the Word “pertains to” Jesus, but isn't really Jesus.  Because what you've posted above doesn't explain anything to me about how you're understanding this…[Read more]