Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,09:48)Marty Quote I am born of Adam's seed, but no He did not create me, He formed me in the womb from the sperm of Adam in the womb of my mother. did God created the process to procreate Yes, Pierre, please read what I have stated before responding to my posts. Love in Christ,Marty

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,09:31)Quote (942767 @ Dec. 29 2013,23:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2013,13:59)Quote (942767 @ Dec. 28 2013,17:52)And so, Mike, you say:Quote That means he WAS HAVING that glory before the world began.And the fact that he uses the Greek word “para” in parallel is even more telling.He is asking to be glorified IN…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2013,13:59)Quote (942767 @ Dec. 28 2013,17:52)And so, Mike, you say:Quote That means he WAS HAVING that glory before the world began.And the fact that he uses the Greek word “para” in parallel is even more telling.He is asking to be glorified IN GOD'S PRESENCE (para) with the glory he had IN GOD'S PRESENCE (para) before…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2013,13:49)Hi Marty, Yes, Tertullian IS the one who coined the phrase “trinity”.  But that doesn't change the logic of his words that I quoted. Marty, did God,  ALONE and BY HIMSELF, create you? Mike:I do not put any confidence in what Tertullian may or may not have stated. It is the Word of God that is the authority i…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2013,11:32)Quote (942767 @ Dec. 29 2013,05:52)And so, Mike, you say:Quote That means he WAS HAVING that glory before the world began.And the fact that he uses the Greek word “para” in parallel is even more telling.He is asking to be glorified IN GOD'S PRESENCE (para) with the glory he had IN GOD'S PRESENCE (para) before…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2013,04:29)Quote (942767 @ Dec. 27 2013,10:35)Hi Mike:You and Pierre teach that Jesus pre-existed and that when the scriptures state that all things were created through him, it means that it was Jesus that he was using the process of creating every thing.But God states that he alone created every thing by himself…[Read more]

And so, Mike, you say:Quote That means he WAS HAVING that glory before the world began.And the fact that he uses the Greek word “para” in parallel is even more telling.He is asking to be glorified IN GOD'S PRESENCE (para) with the glory he had IN GOD'S PRESENCE (para) before the world began.And so, according to you, Jesus already had the glory…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 28 2013,03:44)Quote (942767 @ Dec. 27 2013,22:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,02:41)Quote (942767 @ Dec. 23 2013,19:39)That he is not the creator is precisely my point.Neither I nor Pierre have ever claimed that Jesus created a single thing, Marty.So why are you arguing against a point we've never made in the first…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,08:05)Quote (942767 @ Dec. 23 2013,20:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2013,10:56)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 21 2013,09:48)Mike……..So i can also say the Glory I had with the Father before the world began right?You could only say it if you actually HAD glory before the world began, Gene.  Did you?Also, don't…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,02:41)Quote (942767 @ Dec. 23 2013,19:39)That he is not the creator is precisely my point.Neither I nor Pierre have ever claimed that Jesus created a single thing, Marty.So why are you arguing against a point we've never made in the first place?Hi Mike:You and Pierre teach that Jesus pre-existed and that when the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2013,10:56)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 21 2013,09:48)Mike……..So i can also say the Glory I had with the Father before the world began right?You could only say it if you actually HAD glory before the world began, Gene.  Did you?Also, don't forget that it is literally, “the glory I WAS HAVING”.Hi Mike:He had that…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2013,02:45)Quote (942767 @ Dec. 23 2013,21:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2013,11:14)Oh, and how does definition #2 work in Colossians 1:16, where it is said that all things were made THROUGH him AND FOR him?Should we change it to “FOR him and FOR him”?And so, it would work the same way as I have stated.  That…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2013,11:14)Oh, and how does definition #2 work in Colossians 1:16, where it is said that all things were made THROUGH him AND FOR him?Should we change it to “FOR him and FOR him”?And so, it would work the same way as I have stated. That scripture says that all things were created for him. If he was the one that…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2013,11:11)Okay.  Let's use your definition #2 for a second – just for argument's sake.In what way do you suppose the DINOSAURS were made for Jesus – since you believe Jesus never existed to see or enjoy them?Mike:Quote 2.through A.the ground or reason by which something is or is not done a.by reason ofThat does not…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 16 2013,02:26)Quote (942767 @ Dec. 13 2013,09:25)Hi Mike:One more thing, you make the following statement which includes a question:Quote And what about all the other things I posted?  What about 1 Cor 8:6, for example?  Do you agree that the “all things” that came THROUGH Jesus are the same exact “all things” that came F…[Read more]

Hi Mike:One more thing, you make the following statement which includes a question:Quote And what about all the other things I posted?  What about 1 Cor 8:6, for example?  Do you agree that the “all things” that came THROUGH Jesus are the same exact “all things” that came FROM God?If not, why not?  And if so, is there any scriptural reason to as…[Read more]

Hi Mike:And so, according to you, the Word = Jesus was with God and Jesus was “a god” (past tense), but now, according to the scriptures “he is the Christ, the Son of the Living God”?And no, the scripture does not state that “he is the Word”.  It states:Quote Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The…[Read more]

Hi Mike:The point is that you cannot say that God was speaking to Jesus when He said “let us make man in our image” because God does not tell us to whom he was speaking. You might say that “I believe that it was Jesus”, and I say that I believe that it was the angels because of Job 38 and because Jesus is a man, and it was man that was being…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 07 2013,19:32)This video is about a subject we all agree with. But it also talks much about the origins of the son too. Hence why I have added this here.I understand that this is a restricted topic, but if I may, I would just like to make a couple of comments relative to this video, if I may.The author states that we should not…[Read more]

Hi Kathi:And so, how are you going to prove that he always existed as a sentient being? If you have the scriptures that show this, please disclose them. This is what Jesus stated relative to honouring him, and so, if this is what he said, it would not change how we honour him either way, would it? Quote Jhn 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the…[Read more]