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    942767 replied to the topic Salvation in the forum Truth or Tradition 17 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 06 2008,10:24)Hi 94, The universalists seem to discover by reading parts of the bible that they have been saved by events of 2000 years ago. Such is follyHi Nick:If they haven't believed with a repentant heart then they haven't been saved, and consequently, they can't teach me anything without the Spirit of Truth.Quote Act…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic Salvation in the forum Truth or Tradition 17 years, 7 months ago

    Following is what the Word of God states for salvation:Quote Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be…[Read more]

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    Quote Jhn 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. Jhn 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. Jhn 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name,…[Read more]

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    Quote (chosenone @ Dec. 02 2008,12:56)Just to clear this up… I belong to no “denomination”,  God has lead me through many denominations in my walk with Him.  I guess this was to teach me what I had to know, that they are the “apostacy”, and I feel blessed to realize that there is “nothing” that I can do to save myself.  Scripture says “All is of…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2008,16:10)God's hand is mighty 94 to guide and preserve and make all things work together for good.Hi Nick:God causes all things to work together for good to those who love Him and are called according to His purpose.  But no, I won't disobey His Word nor will I say that I agree with such doctrines as “the trinity”…[Read more]

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    Quote (chosenone @ Dec. 02 2008,12:26)Hi 942767.     While Jesus was on this earth teaching, it was to Israel only.  The nations (gentiles) were not included, see Eph.2:11-12   …12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and wit…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 02 2008,12:20)You see 94, Unless they can make choice divinely controlled they cannot preach universal salvation successfully. Men being men would always choose the opposite to what you would expect. So they must overide any thought of options so the magic philosophy can work.shazzam!!Hi Nick:Since they all agree, I guess…[Read more]

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    Quote (chosenone @ Dec. 02 2008,11:08)Hi 942767.You quote:  “You cannot pick and choose which scriptures apply to the Jews and which to the gentiles.  This is a misunderstanding on your part.”It is not I that picks and chooses, scripture plainly says to whom it is for.See Matt.15:24,   Ro.15:8,   Ro.15:16,  are some.  BlessingsHi CO:Just becau…[Read more]

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    Quote (chosenone @ Dec. 01 2008,18:21)Hi 942767.     In Ro.2:4 that you quote, Notice “it is God who leads you to repentance”.  This is not of you, it is God working in you.  You don't earn your justification by your own will.     The scriptures in 2Pe.  and Acts2.  Are to Israel, before the gospel of “grace” is taken to the Nations…[Read more]

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 01 2008,12:55)942767………your partial post only confuse the subject , or did you forget to read where Paul said it was GOD who Hardened them in the first place, and He can soften there heart and restore them. You need to read the whole context of what Paul was talking about and not pick and chose what fit your…[Read more]

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    Hi Gene and Adam:There is only one thing left for me to do, and that is to pray that God will give you revelation knowledge of the truth, and that I will do.God Bless

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2008,10:08)Hi 94, God can arrange that nobody does that.Hi Nick:It seems to me that the Apostle Paul had to correct the Apostle Peter.Also, I have a job in the secular world, and I obey their rules because I work for them, but if they ask me to do something contrary to the Word of God, no, I won't obey.And re-reading…[Read more]

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    Quote Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 01 2008,13:45)942767…..Please show me where it says when FAITH COMES MAN HAS A CHOICE as to whether or not they will repent and serve God. Please show me this written in scripture. Jesus said (NO MAN CAN) even come unto me unless the FATHER DRAW HIM, and if you check out the word draw you will find it comes from the…[Read more]

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    Quote (chosenone @ Dec. 01 2008,11:57)Hi 942767.     Good post, the one thing I disagree with is your statement “Under grace, the blood of Jesus washes away our sins 'when we repent,'”  We have been “justified” by His death and resurrection, God sees our sin no more, we don't need to “repent”.  This is like saying Jesus sacifice was not com…[Read more]

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 01 2008,12:37)942767………it didn't say all the Israel of God did it” , it simply said (all Israel shall be saved) so you change it to fit your belief system and what do you do where in Titus it says GOD's the savior of all men. He would have all men to be saved, are you saying He can't or wont do that. If so them…[Read more]

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 01 2008,12:23)942767………what makes you think that I am talking about Faith< i am talking about Your own so-called "FREE WILLS", I totally agree with the point James makes about Faith, but that Faith did not come from a man own so-call "FREE WILL" it came from God Himself not the man. " for God Has (GIVEN) every man…[Read more]

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 01 2008,10:27)942767……….no what i am saying Jesus said they will go into the kingdom of God's and obviously for that to happen they will someday repent as God gives them repentance in His time they will all Be grafted back into the olive tree. Just as it says for (ALL) of Israel (SHALL) be SAVED. Again 942767 your…[Read more]

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 01 2008,10:56)(42767……God holds all accountable because it proves his point “their is none righteous except God , a righteous man has righteousness (ascribed) to Him by God not by his works but by his FAITH in GOD even as Abraham did, Abraham's faith was (accounted ) to him for righteousness not that He himself…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2008,09:08)Hi 94, The older son inherited the kingdom.Hi Nick:Jacob is the older son. He did strive with God and man and God changed his name to Israel.Quote Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the…[Read more]

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