Quote (942767 @ April 18 2011,06:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,05:30)And here come all the “well, it could have meant” guesses from the non-preexisters who must go out of their way to find odd, alternate meanings to clearly worded scriptures.Let me ask you this, Marty:COULD IT ALSO HAVE MEANT that Jesus came down from heaven, and foretold…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,05:30)And here come all the “well, it could have meant” guesses from the non-preexisters who must go out of their way to find odd, alternate meanings to clearly worded scriptures.Let me ask you this, Marty:COULD IT ALSO HAVE MEANT that Jesus came down from heaven, and foretold about the time when his disciples…[Read more]

Hi All:It may be that John 1:14 is referring to the event where Jesus received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and began his ministry.As he said:Quote Luke 4:17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he…[Read more]

And so, Mrs. how did Jesus become flesh? What does the scripture state?Love in Christ,Marty

Quote (Baker @ April 17 2011,12:21)Marty!  maybe you don't look good enough what Scripture says.  Who was the only begotten Son of God?John tells  us He was first The Word of God, and then became flesh.Jhn 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of gra…[Read more]

Hi Pierre:This is what David said:Quote Psalm 139:7Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 8If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. 9If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10Even there shall thy hand lead me,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 17 2011,06:33)Hi Marty,Your scriptures show that Jesus was born of the flesh, as is stated many times in the scriptures.  They don't, however, say one word that would exclude Jesus from a heavenly pre-existence……….at least not that I can see.mikeMike:How was he conceived in the womb of Mary?You have to have a vivid…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2011,12:11)Quote (942767 @ April 14 2011,11:34)Hi Mike:I have already been over all of this with you, and so, I see not point in re-hashing the same thing over and over again.None of those scriptures that you have say that he pre-existed.  You may interpret them to mean that, but they do not specifically state…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 14 2011,13:56) Hi Marty,There has been nothing addressed on this thread that erases the 55 scriptures we've compiled.  There has never been anything discussed on this entire site that would make “I came down from heaven” mean something different than what it says.  Or that would make “what if you see me ascend to where I…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 14 2011,13:23)Marty, Gene, Kerwin,Any reply to the 4th post down on page 78?mikeHi Mike:The only comment that I have is that I cannot believe that you keep insisting on a pre-existent Jesus after all that has been discussed on this thread.Love in Christ,Marty

Quote (Paladin @ April 13 2011,09:03)Quote (942767 @ April 13 2011,08:03)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 12 2011,14:16)Quote (942767 @ April 12 2011,08:05)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 12 2011,12:12)Hi Numbers,Marty,Than again the Scriptures literally state that the word was “made flesh”That now we KNOW HIM, and he dwelled amoung men. This is…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 12 2011,14:16)Quote (942767 @ April 12 2011,08:05)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 12 2011,12:12)Hi Numbers,Marty,Than again the Scriptures literally state that the word was “made flesh”That now we KNOW HIM, and he dwelled amoung men. This is talking about an individual and not a situation where the word of God came to…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2011,14:12)Quote (942767 @ April 10 2011,20:59)Hi:Paladin stated and I agree that:Quote Jesus is not the logos of God. “The logos of God” is not a personThat is to say that the Logos of God is not a sentient person, but comes from Almighty God.  Therefore, In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God,…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 12 2011,12:12)Hi Numbers,Marty,Than again the Scriptures literally state that the word was “made flesh”That now we KNOW HIM, and he dwelled amoung men. This is talking about an individual and not a situation where the word of God came to men. God talks about knowing him, not by what is exactly written.Jesus said they…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 12 2011,12:02)Quote (942767 @ April 11 2011,19:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 11 2011,02:12)Hey Marty, Gene and Paladin,Is it your contention that the Word of God proceeds directly from God to each of us who accept it, and it then works at forming us into something that is closer to the image of God Himself?  Is it your…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 11 2011,02:12)Hey Marty, Gene and Paladin,Is it your contention that the Word of God proceeds directly from God to each of us who accept it, and it then works at forming us into something that is closer to the image of God Himself?  Is it your contention that this Word of God, which is not a sentient being, can come into…[Read more]

And so, through the summation given above, the Logos became flesh, can only mean that the Prophetic Word of God became flesh or a reality.Love in Christ,Marty

Hi:Paladin stated and I agree that:Quote Jesus is not the logos of God. “The logos of God” is not a personThat is to say that the Logos of God is not a sentient person, but comes from Almighty God. Therefore, In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.This defines God's plan to make man in His own image by…[Read more]

Hi Paladin:John 1:14 the Logos became flesh. Thanks, for showing me this, this confirms my understanding.Love in Christ,Marty

Quote (Paladin @ April 08 2011,07:04)Quote (Baker @ April 07 2011,02:30)Paladin !  I don't agree that Jesus didn't exist before the world was.   I gave you plain written Scriptures.  He is the firstborn of all creation.Col 1:15   Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:Col 1:16   For by him were all things crea…[Read more]