Quote (terraricca @ April 26 2011,07:16)Quote (942767 @ April 26 2011,12:44)Quote (terraricca @ April 26 2011,05:11)Martywho his the women here ?a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. PierreHi Pierre:The woman referred to in these scriptures is the nation of Israel, and the virgin Mary…[Read more]

Hi Paladin:I am sorry that this thread is way off topic and has taken a turn from what you intended to another thread for the discussion of the doctrine of pre-existence.Since I am not versed in the Greek language, please do me the favor of giving me your understanding, using your very best Greek, of Philippians 2:6.Thank you very much,Love in Christ,Marty

Quote (terraricca @ April 26 2011,05:11)Martywho his the women here ?a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. PierreHi Pierre:The woman referred to in these scriptures is the nation of Israel, and the virgin Mary came from the nation of Israel. The twelve stars are the twelve tribes or…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,14:53)It is not the new creation spoken of in Col 1:15 but the old creation which is made obvious in the immediate verse which follows.The Firstborn of all creation created all things as the Firstborn, the image of the invisible God, God's only begotten Son born before the ages…the begotten God.  God, the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,13:57)Quote (942767 @ April 24 2011,20:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,11:41)Quote (942767 @ April 24 2011,16:57)how are you going to get around the other scripture that I quoted:“I am in the Father and the Father is in me”Love in Christ,MartyI don't know Marty.  Exactly what non-preexistent claim are you…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 25 2011,15:00)Martyyou say;Quote Quote (942767 @ April 24 2011,20:07) Hi Mike:Jesus was the son of man from the beginning of creation by prophecy as Genesis 3:15 refers to him as the seed of the woman, but 1 Peter 1 indicates that he was foreordained and manifest in these last times for us. the women from Gen 3 ;15 is…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 25 2011,12:04)Quote (942767 @ April 25 2011,17:34)Hi:Begotten by the Holy Spirit in the womb of the virgin Mary, and born of the flesh according the seed of David:Mat 1:20 And on his thinking of these things, lo, a messenger of the Lord in a dream appeared to him, saying, `Joseph, son of David, thou mayest not fear to…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,11:41)Quote (942767 @ April 24 2011,16:57)how are you going to get around the other scripture that I quoted:“I am in the Father and the Father is in me”Love in Christ,MartyI don't know Marty.  Exactly what non-preexistent claim are you saying this scripture makes?mikeHi Mike:How is he in the Father? If you can…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,11:57)Quote (942767 @ April 24 2011,17:13)Yes, you are right, some manuscripts have it one way, and others another, But even so, this states that the Son of man came down from heaven.  He wasn't the Son of man until he was born of the virgin Mary, and so, how are you going to explain this to support your doctrine…[Read more]

Hi:Begotten by the Holy Spirit in the womb of the virgin Mary, and born of the flesh according the seed of David:Mat 1:20 And on his thinking of these things, lo, a messenger of the Lord in a dream appeared to him, saying, `Joseph, son of David, thou mayest not fear to receive Mary thy wife, for that which in her was begotten of the Holy…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,08:36)Quote (942767 @ April 24 2011,15:12)He was in his ministry on earth and yet he was saying that he was in heaven at the same time.No he wasn't Marty.  Many mss don't even have the last line:  “Who is in heaven”.  And others have “who WAS in heaven” or “who is FROM heaven”.Remember that the Greek language ha…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,08:36)Quote (942767 @ April 24 2011,15:12)He was in his ministry on earth and yet he was saying that he was in heaven at the same time.No he wasn't Marty.  Many mss don't even have the last line:  “Who is in heaven”.  And others have “who WAS in heaven” or “who is FROM heaven”.Remember that the Greek language ha…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 25 2011,03:06)Marty!  please explain to me how you can ignore 50 Scriptures that clearly say Jesus was in Heaven with Almighty God long before the world was?  For you I will now put them some down for you, and for Paladin.Let me start withJhn 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was Go…[Read more]

Hi Mike:Relative to Jesus being the Only Begotten Son, and that he could not have been that as an angel, the following scripture has come to mind:Quote Hebrews 1:5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Love in Christ,Marty

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2011,13:27)Quote (942767 @ April 23 2011,13:31)And so, you are saying that by showing you this that I have showed you that Jesus did not pre-exist his birth into this world as a man is that correct?  Not at all.  I'm saying if scripture showed how God took Michael the archangel and made him as a human, it wouldn't m…[Read more]

Hi Mike:You say:Quote What you did was show scriptures that explained how Jesus came to be IN THE FLESH.  Not one of those scriptures prohibits Jesus from a pre-existence before he came to be in the flesh.And so, you are saying that by showing you this that I have showed you that Jesus did not pre-exist his birth into this world as a man is that…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 18 2011,11:21)Quote (942767 @ April 18 2011,11:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,11:01)Quote (942767 @ April 17 2011,17:59)Hi Mike:Please give me your understanding of the following scripture:Quote John 14:9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,11:01)Quote (942767 @ April 17 2011,17:59)Hi Mike:Please give me your understanding of the following scripture:Quote John 14:9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?…[Read more]

Hi Mike:Please give me your understanding of the following scripture:Quote John 14:9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words…[Read more]

Hi Mike:You say:Quote The other problem is that you think it takes a “vivid imagination” to understand “I came down from heaven” and “what if you see me ascend to where I was before”, as they are written.Marty, the Jews to whom Jesus was speaking in John 6 clearly understood that this “regular man”, whose parents they all knew, was for some odd…[Read more]