Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 06 2011,02:48)Quote (942767 @ May 04 2011,20:02)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2011,01:42)Quote (Istari @ April 28 2011,17:04)Work backwards: if Jesus IS God – and he says we are to become like him – then he must mean that we too are to become GOD!OK JA Does it mean that we are going to become God if we are made…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 05 2011,13:16)Quote (942767 @ May 04 2011,08:32)Of course Jesus is a separate person from God, but his spirit was formed by God through his obedience to God's Word.Hi Marty,Okay……………..so now Jesus is NOT the “Word of God” like you previously said, but instead, someone who OBEYS the “Word of God”?I'm getting…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2011,01:42)Quote (Istari @ April 28 2011,17:04)Work backwards: if Jesus IS God – and he says we are to become like him – then he must mean that we too are to become GOD!OK JA Does it mean that we are going to become God if we are made after Gods image? Because it is his image that we are being changed into you…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 04 2011,21:08)Quote (942767 @ May 03 2011,11:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 02 2011,08:29)Hi Marty,What exactly do you think the “Word of God” is?  God's Spirit?  His very spoken words that have taken up an existence of their own?  Is the Word of God a separate entity from God?I'm curious how you understand it.mikeHi Mike:The Wo…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 04 2011,11:51)Quote (942767 @ May 03 2011,18:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 03 2011,12:30)Quote (942767 @ May 02 2011,17:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 02 2011,08:29)Hi Marty,What exactly do you think the “Word of God” is?  God's Spirit?  His very spoken words that have taken up an existence of their own?  Is the Word of God a se…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 03 2011,12:30)Quote (942767 @ May 02 2011,17:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 02 2011,08:29)Hi Marty,What exactly do you think the “Word of God” is?  God's Spirit?  His very spoken words that have taken up an existence of their own?  Is the Word of God a separate entity from God?I'm curious how you understand it.mikeHi Mi…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 03 2011,01:30)Bump for Marty.Quote (942767 @ April 30 2011,13:47)Since you want to teach the pre-existence of Jesus, it is up to you to substatiate it with scripture.MartyWe have already given you clear scripture and the literral Greek meanings.”For I came down (katabainō) from heaven”, not to do mine own will, but…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 02 2011,08:29)Hi Marty,What exactly do you think the “Word of God” is?  God's Spirit?  His very spoken words that have taken up an existence of their own?  Is the Word of God a separate entity from God?I'm curious how you understand it.mikeHi Mike:The Word of God is that which God has spoken.As to your question: Is the Wo…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2011,05:56)Quote (942767 @ April 30 2011,13:47)Since you want to teach the pre-existence of Jesus, it is up to you to substatiate it with scripture.MartyWe have already given you clear scripture and the literral Greek meanings.”For I came down (katabainō) from heaven”, not to do mine own will, but the will of him…[Read more]

Hi Mike:Regarding this discussion:Hi Mike:Since you want to teach the pre-existence of Jesus, it is up to you to substatiate it with scripture. “I came down from heaven”.  There………….consider it “substantiated”.Quote If that satisfies you, then that satisfies me. “He said that he came down from heaven.”Teach this because this is what the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 01 2011,01:21)Quote (942767 @ April 29 2011,17:45)I hope that this satisfies your demands because I am not going to go beyond this   Why wouldn't you “go beyond this”?  Are you afraid that by delving into your doctrine it may be exposed for the fallacy it is?Once again, I'm only asking if you have a scripture that p…[Read more]

Also, Jesus could not have pre-existed as an angel because of the following scripture:Quote Hebrews 1:4-5 (King James Version) 4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again,…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 30 2011,10:57)MartyQuote Jesus existed in the heart of the Father before the foundation of the world in the way that I have described to you by God's own Word.were does it say that Jesus was in the heart of the Father? would that as well include all of creation,because that is part of Christ and the WORD of GOD ;John 1;1…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 29 2011,20:24)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2011,11:51)Hi Marty,Here's what I wanted from you:Quote All I want to know from any of you is why this scripture CAN'T POSSIBLY be saying the person of Jesus had glory alongside God before the world was created.What SCRIPTURE prohibits my understanding of this verse?AGAIN, I DON'T…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 29 2011,10:58)Quote (942767 @ April 29 2011,10:45)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2011,11:34)Quote (942767 @ April 25 2011,12:24)But what I indicated by what I have you was that Jesus said that “He was in the Father”, and so, if you can understand this, you will also understand how he was with the Father in the beginning.Hi…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2011,13:24)Quote (942767 @ April 25 2011,17:28)You have a translation that Jesus is a begotten God, but there is no God but YHWH, and Jesus is God's Only Begotten Son and His Christ.  That is what my Father has revealed to humanity through the Apostle Peter, and that is who Jesus is.Hi Marty,We didn't make up the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2011,11:34)Quote (942767 @ April 25 2011,12:24)But what I indicated by what I have you was that Jesus said that “He was in the Father”, and so, if you can understand this, you will also understand how he was with the Father in the beginning.Hi Marty,Your own words are doing it again.  You say if I can understand how…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 26 2011,10:16)Quote (942767 @ April 26 2011,05:49)Hi Paladin:I am sorry that this thread is way off topic and has taken a turn from what you intended to another thread for the discussion of the doctrine of pre-existence.Since I am not versed in the Greek language, please do me the favor of giving me your understanding, using…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2011,05:53)Marty,Creatures are by essence 'created' by God not 'born' of God.  Creatures are a product of new matter.  That which was born of God is not of 'new matter' but was eternal within the Father and then born of the Father at the appropriate time to act in the creation miracle of heaven and earth.  The only on…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 26 2011,09:17)Marty!  What you have done to John 17;5 is adding what you want to believe.  That my friend is uncalled for.  Tell me why does NOW indicate that Jesus is in the Father?   not what that says….. verse 4 indicates that His work on  earth was done, AND NOW, not just NOW, it indicates that at that time He want…[Read more]