Quote (Pastry @ May 20 2011,15:21)Quote Jesus was created by God first?  Show where this occurred by the scriptures.Marty!  There are three Scriptures that shows Jesus was createde inCol 1:15   Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:  Rom 8:29   For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate conformed to the…[Read more]

He did exist, but he did not exist as a sentient person. He was foreordained, and was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary at the specified time of God's choosing.None of the scriptures that you have posted say that he pre-existed as a sentient person. The scriptures that you posted that pertain to Jesus in the OT were…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2011,14:28)Quote (942767 @ May 19 2011,21:19)Hi Mike:I have already given you my understanding of this and so has Paladin.Maybe I'm mistaken Marty, but I don't believe any non-preexister has ever sufficiently answered this point.Quote (942767 @ May 19 2011,21:19)Verse 7 in the KJV state that “he made himself no…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2011,11:46)Quote (Pastry @ May 19 2011,17:59)Phl 2:7   But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:  Then He made in the likeness of men…..Just think if He was a man at that time, then it was not necessary to be made into the likeness of men.Peace I…[Read more]

Hi Mrs:You are not making any sense with the following comment when you say:Quote Begotten means simple born. Jesus was born by Maria. But He was created by God first. Jesus was created by God first? Show where this occurred by the scriptures.Love in Christ,Marty

Quote (Pastry @ May 20 2011,10:59)Quote And so, Jesus was a begotten Son of God prior to his being conceived in the womb of the virgin Mary?Marty!  Jesus is the literal Son of God.  He came forth from Jehovah God and not out of the dust of the earth.  Begotten means simple born.  Jesus was born by Maria.  But He was created by God first.  Scr…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ May 20 2011,10:21)Quote (shimmer @ May 19 2011,12:31)Quote So are you saying that Jesus wasn't being literal? If so what makes you think the term “son of God” is literal? Im not answering that Bod, I believe Jesus as the Son of God from Heaven and you dont, so lets just leave it.Youve already asked me this many times and you…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 20 2011,08:26)Quote (942767 @ May 20 2011,06:13)Hi Irene:You say to Gene:Quote There are three Scriptures that state Jesus is the firstborn.  Being Gods Son He did have a beginning….. How could He be a Son and always existed.  Did your Son exist at the same time then you did??? I bet not,…And so, you acknowledge that J…[Read more]

Hi Charles:Based on some of the statements that you have made relative to Jesus, I believe that you need to study asking God to give revelation knowledge of His Word before trying to teach others.  One cannot teach others until one is taught himself, and this is not to say that I know everything myself, but there was one time in my life that God…[Read more]

Hi Paladin:And so, plain and simple, the scriptures state the Word that was with God became flesh, and not that God became flesh, meaning that the teaching that Jesus is God incarnate is not correct.  God did not become a man, but what He has said or spoken became flesh.  And the Word was God: “For God so loved the world that he gave his only b…[Read more]

Hi Irene:You say to Gene:Quote There are three Scriptures that state Jesus is the firstborn. Being Gods Son He did have a beginning….. How could He be a Son and always existed. Did your Son exist at the same time then you did??? I bet not,…And so, you acknowledge that Jesus had a beginning by your statement here, is that correct?And if the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2011,12:41)Quote (942767 @ May 11 2011,19:01)You say:Quote But you left out the part where he was existing in the form of God BEFORE he was made as a human being.This is what I mean by your having a vivid imagination. Where do the scriptures specifically state this?To which part do you refer?  What exact word(s) do you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 11 2011,12:07)That's a cop-out Marty.  I posted words straight out of the scriptures, and you joked about my “vivid imagination”.  Stop joking for a minute and SHOW ME the thing I posted that is NOT the words of the scriptures.No, Mike:Not a cop out, but I have been over and over the same material time and time again with y…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 11 2011,11:54)That's IS “all you can say”, because you surely can't claim that what I've written is unscriptural, can you?Hi Mike:I already have, but what is the use, you won't listen.Love in Christ,Marty

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 11 2011,11:44)Quote (942767 @ May 10 2011,08:10)The discussion here is whether or not he existed as a sentient person prior to his birth into this world, and by this scripture in Galatians which I posted, it shows that he did not.No it doesn't.Hi Mike:And so, I would say, Oh yes, it does. Then there would be an argument,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 11 2011,11:46)Quote (942767 @ May 10 2011,08:14)Irene:He was the only Begotten Son of God who was born of the virgin Mary, the firstbegotten of God, and then he obeyed God without sin even unto death on the cross, and he then was resurrected from the dead, or he was born again from the dead, making him the firstborn from…[Read more]

Hi Pierre:I quoted some scriptures from Proverbs.  I did not give any opinions, but you did by adding (Christ) where you thought it was appropriate.  I did not quote the verses that you quoted because all of Provers 8 is about Wisdom, and I quoted the first few scriptures of Proverbs 8 to show this.  Is this not what the beginning of proberbs 8 st…[Read more]

Hi Charles:You ask:Quote So Jesus is Lord in your term what is LordBy the term Lord is meant that he is my master and I am his disciple, and I am subjected to God through him.Quote John 13:13Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am. 14If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 11 2011,03:00)MartyQuote Hi Pierre:Does God say one thing in one scripture and something else by another.  The scriptures must be consistent.  And so, what does this scripture state?I never said that Jesus is a mere man.  The scriptures state that he is “The Christ, the Son of the Living God”, but the scriptures also st…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 11 2011,00:44)Quote (Paladin @ May 10 2011,20:37)Quote (Pastry @ May 10 2011,09:22)Quote All this passage proces is that God raised Jesus to be the firstborn from the dead, and arranged it so that christians would comform to his image, and be younger brothers to him who was firstborn.No “pre-existance” required other than the…[Read more]