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    Hi:I voted #3 option because Jesus did not preexist as a sentient person.  He was fore-ordained and the following scripture supports this:  Quote 1 Peter 1:17Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, silver and gold, from your vain conversation by tradition from your fathers;   1Pe 1:19   But with the precious blo…[Read more]

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    Brothers and sisters in Christ:Just stopped by to say that I hope every one of you is doing well and to wish those of you who celebrate Christmas, a Merry Christmas, and to all a very prosperous New Year.Love in Christ,Marty

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    Hi Gene:Don't you know by now that you are wasting your time?Love in Christ,Marty

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    Any scientist that believes in God is a smart scientist, and any one scientist or not is not very smart.Love in Christ,Marty

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    Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 05 2011,16:36)942767 I  looked at the video,but any religion that says bless America or any other country ,in my view is suspicious to me ,the women presentation is good but it sound like all others ,so I say keep your bible and learn ,study it ,pray,understand Gods will ,because this will be the only thing that will be…[Read more]

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    Hi:I thought I would try to follow Ed's instructions to see if I could embed this video which I found very intersting and important: Love in Christ,Marty

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    Hi Jack:Sorry to hear about your sister. I pray that God will comfort you and the rest of the family, and I am praying also that if anyone in the family does not know God in the the pardon of their sins that God will do everything in His power to save their souls.Love in Christ,Marty

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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2011,14:25)MartyQuote Every man has a spirit, but Jesus' spirit was formed in him through perfect obedience to God's Word, and through this spirit of perfect obedience to God, he overcame sin, death, and the grave, and was raised to eternal life, and so, this is the spirit that gives life to the soul.so what you are…[Read more]

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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 24 2011,14:51)MartyQuote Jesus is the Last Adam.  Adam = man.  He is still a man, but now has a spiritual body, and through the spirit of perfect obedience to God, and by his shed blood, we who are his disciples will also overcome sin, death and the grave, and will be like him at his coming for the church.you have a c…[Read more]

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    Hi Mike:Let's see what the scriptures state relative to this:Quote Jesus is the Last Adam.  Adam = man.  He is still a man, but now has a spiritual body,  But that's not what the scripture says, Marty.  The scripture says the the last Adam BECAME A LIFE-GIVING SPIRT.Quote 1 Co 15:20But now Christ is risen from the dead, and become the fir…[Read more]

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    Hi Mrs:You say:Quote Jhn 17:5   And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.  This shows us that Jesus was there with His Father as a Spirit Being before the world was…..Does the scripture state that “he was a spirit being before the world was” or is that your interpretation o…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 21 2011,03:07)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2011,14:55)Hi Mike:There is a difference he now has a spiritual body, and he is the head of the church, and our human masters have a mortal body, and may or not be saved.See Marty?  Your subconscious believes the truth, because you've just distinguished Jesus FROM our “human masters”.…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2011,09:08)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 17 2011,15:31)Quote And when you read this……………..Ephesians 6:5Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;………….don't you think it distinguishes our FLESH masters from…[Read more]

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    Hi Mike:Your comments, scripture, and question:Quote When you read this………..Romans 1:3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh……….what do you think it means?  Because you also think Christ was nothing BUT flesh, right?  You think he began his existence as flesh, and is STILL f…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2011,04:27)Marty,All I've done is to point out to you that 1 Tim could be taken one of TWO different ways.  One way is that Jesus is STILL a man in heaven.  The other way is that the man who died is now our mediator in heaven.  Do you agree that it can be understood EITHER way?  If you are to be honest, you have to.…[Read more]

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    Hi Mike:You say:Quote Marty, the MAN who was sacrificed is now the mediator between men and God. And 1 Tim 2:5-6 says exactly thatThat is precisely what it says.The mission that you are giving me to accept is a useless one, and therefore, I don't accept it. When you start with the “Could have said this or could have said that”, you are…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 7 months ago

    Hi Mike:You say:Quote They are stuck now, because they've already admitted “firstborn” refers to Jesus being the ONE BORN FIRST.But you said that “Jesus was the first creature created by GodOne born first = first creature created by God?Love in Christ,Marty

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 7 months ago

    Hi Mike:You say:Quote I've grown weary of their willingness to overlook the obvious in their attempts to redeem their flawed, unscriptural doctrine.This is what I believe relative to you and Irene.When you are shown the truth by the scriptures, you just want to continue on with your unscriptual doctrine. There is no scripture which states that…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 14 2011,01:47)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 14 2011,01:36)Hi Irene:The following scripture:Quote Revelation 3:14″And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write: `These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God:Is explained by the following scripture:Quote Colossians 1:18And He…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 7 months ago

    Hi Irene:The following scripture:Quote Revelation 3:14″And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write: `These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God:Is explained by the following scripture:Quote Colossians 1:18And He is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the…[Read more]

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