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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 19 2012,14:44)Quote (942767 @ Mar. 19 2012,08:01)And Jesus said the following:Quote Jhn 3:14   And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:   Jhn 3:15   That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.   Jhn 3:16   For God so loved the world, that…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 12 months ago

    Hi Mike:You say:Quote So Marty, although it is abundantly clear from 17:5 that Jesus had some kind of glory alongside his God before the world began, it is equally clear from many scriptures that he is now in a higher position than the one he left to be made into the likeness of a human being.If it is abundantly clear, you should be able to show…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 18 2012,17:07)Marty,Take a look at Acts 15:5 and you will see that there was a Jewish Pharisee sect among the believers.  Some individuals of that sect, but not all, were teaching the heresy that Gentiles must become Jews. Both Jews and Gentiles are to obey the command to love but the Law is God’s Legislation for the ch…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 12 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2012,11:32)Quote (942767 @ Mar. 18 2012,14:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 18 2012,14:34)Quote (942767 @ Mar. 17 2012,21:26)What Jesus said was as follows:Quote Jhn 17:5   And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.  And he was speaking of the glory t…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 12 months ago

    Hi Nick:Want scripture?Quote Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit holy, the lump also : and if the root holy, so the branches. Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Love in Christ,Marty

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 12 months ago

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2012,10:28)Hi 94, Which tribe are you?Hi Nick:God knows.

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 12 months ago

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2012,09:10)Hi T, The 144,000 first fruits are from the twelve tribes of Israel.Hi Nick:The whole body of Christ consists of the Twelve tribes of Israel. Love in Christ,Marty

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2012,09:37)Hi MB, You say”God cannot be WITH God” Why argue with Scripture??Hi:How about In the beginning God had a plan and this plan was with God, and this plan demonstrated God's character.Quote Hbr 11:3   Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were…[Read more]

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    And Jesus said the following:Quote Jhn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not…[Read more]

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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 18 2012,14:28)Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 18 2012,14:20)Quote (942767 @ Mar. 18 2012,14:09)Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 18 2012,12:12)Quote (942767 @ Mar. 18 2012,11:15)Hi BD:Without the sacrifice that God has provided so that our sins can be forgiven, one cannot be saved because the wages of sin is death, and all have sinned…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 12 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 18 2012,14:34)Quote (942767 @ Mar. 17 2012,21:26)What Jesus said was as follows:Quote Jhn 17:5   And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.  And he was speaking of the glory that God was about to give him by exalting to his current position as head of t…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 12 months ago

    Quote (942767 @ Mar. 18 2012,13:50)Hi Mike:You say:Quote I don't know, Marty.  I wasn't there.  But to have ANY KIND OF glory alongside God before the world began, he must have BEEN alongside God before the world beganYou do not know because God does not tell you that he had a former glory.   Jesus did not pre-exist his birth as a sentient pe…[Read more]

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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 18 2012,12:12)Quote (942767 @ Mar. 18 2012,11:15)Hi BD:Without the sacrifice that God has provided so that our sins can be forgiven, one cannot be saved because the wages of sin is death, and all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.  I have already discussed all this with you and so the only thing that I…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 12 months ago

    Hi Mike:You say:Quote I don't know, Marty. I wasn't there. But to have ANY KIND OF glory alongside God before the world began, he must have BEEN alongside God before the world beganYou do not know because God does not tell you that he had a former glory. Jesus did not pre-exist his birth as a sentient person.Love in Christ,Marty

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    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 12 2012,20:21)Quote (942767 @ Mar. 12 2012,08:51)Hi Kerwin:Quote Act 15:5   But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command to keep the law of Moses.   Act 15:6 ¶ And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.  …[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 12 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 13 2012,10:23)Quote (942767 @ Mar. 11 2012,20:03)1.  You say that Jesus was returning to his former glory.  2.  Was he then already exalted to his position as head of the church prior to becoming a man and completing his ministry here on earth?1.  Yes, that's what the words “the glory I had” indicate.2.  No, because the…[Read more]

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    942767 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 12 months ago

    Quote (t8 @ Mar. 13 2012,09:22)Quote (942767 @ Mar. 12 2012,16:03)You say that Jesus was returning to his former glory.  Was he then already exalted to his position as head of the church prior to becoming a man and completing his ministry here on earth?Love in Christ,MartyIs it not easy to understand that returning to one's former glory does not…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 14 2012,15:14)Marty, The Targums tell us that the Jews that John wrote to were very familiar with the term 'the Word of the Lord.' That is my point. The Targums show that the Jews did not think that the 'Word of the Lord' was a plan.Marty do you believe that Jesus is the Lord of all? Is that what you are saying in response…[Read more]

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    Hi BD:Without the sacrifice that God has provided so that our sins can be forgiven, one cannot be saved because the wages of sin is death, and all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I have already discussed all this with you and so the only thing that I know to do is to pray that God will reveal this to you by some means.Quote 1Jo…[Read more]

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    Hi Kerwin:Quote Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command to keep the law of Moses. Act 15:6 ¶ And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and…[Read more]

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