Quote (terraricca @ May 14 2013,12:54)Quote (4Thomas @ May 14 2013,06:21)Quote (terraricca @ May 13 2013,17:59)Quote (4Thomas @ May 13 2013,12:28)Quote (terraricca @ May 13 2013,13:12)Danielthe only thing is that wisdom produce children and so did Christ 'Pr 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Pr 8:23 I…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 10 2013,15:16)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2013,13:09)Quote (david @ May 08 2013,16:26)I'm not super fond of the discussions where if you don't answer questions, you get a tile.Why?  Are you planning on avoiding her questions?I think it was a fabulous idea.Already had one member leave who ridiculed others beliefs and never answered…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 13 2013,17:59)Quote (4Thomas @ May 13 2013,12:28)Quote (terraricca @ May 13 2013,13:12)Danielthe only thing is that wisdom produce children and so did Christ 'Pr 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Pr 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 13 2013,13:12)Danielthe only thing is that wisdom produce children and so did Christ 'Pr 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Pr 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.tell us who is it talks about in verse 22 to 30 terraricca,I believe its…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 10 2013,12:28)Quote (Lightenup @ May 08 2013,21:55)Mike,you saidQuote I realize that Jesus WAS with the Father in the beginning.  He was created as the FIRST of God's works, remember? I remember that you are trying to force that idea but even the NET translators do not agree that He was created who prefer that word…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2013,11:55)Quote (david @ May 05 2013,23:20)Ok, your verse, if read in Greek would have e word proskyneo there.  Since we are trying to determine if Jesus was worshiped, it doesn't help just to quote a bible that translates the word as worship there.And this is the bottom line after all, isn't it?Kathi and Daniel, you…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 06 2013,14:56)DanielEasy, Christ and his father are both saviors ,God first because he holds all the powers to do so,and then Christ because he his the instrument that God almighty uses to save,This is why he also his a representation of God the father ,by seeing the action to save from Christ they could by understanding…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 04 2013,15:19)The problem with saying someone worshipped Jesus, is the word proskyneo.  It doesn't necessarily mean “worship.”  Example: when killing jesus, they spit upon Jesus, mocking him, they “worshipped” him according to the KJV.  They were NOT worshipping him, but BOWING DOWN to him, in a mocking way.  Many bibles und…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 05 2013,10:49)And this one:1 Samuel 9:16 NET“At this time tomorrow I will send to you a man from the land of Benjamin. You must consecrate him as a leader over my people Israel. He will save my people from the hand of the Philistines.Scripture teaches that Jesus is THE saviour.So you think these people can shed there b…[Read more]

Its always very easy to deny someones beliefs but to be fair I have started this new topic to see the weight of evidence for what scripture teaches is the correct Jesus. For obvious reasons please don't post revealtion of Jesus who is in the form of God being a ***man*** I am very confident in my beliefts as you should see why soon I write this…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 02 2013,12:55)Quote (4Thomas @ May 01 2013,19:27)So let’s look at Jesus before he took flesh, let’s look at what SCRIPTURE teaches about *WHAT* Jesus was before he came in the flesh. Then we know who it was that came in the flesh and we will know if we have the right Jesus.Okay.Genesis 314 So the Lord God said to the ser…[Read more]

Mike please let me know if this is ok with you and please understand I am only interested in the truth. Jesus savesDaniel

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2013,13:49)Okay Daniel,You brought up this scripture earlier:John 8 NIV ©24 “I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be , you will indeed die in your sins.”25 “Who are you?” they asked.“Just what I have been telling you from the beginning,” Jesus replied.…[Read more]

Quote Okay, now I will appeal once more to your God-given common sense.  Let's assume for a moment that Jesus DID say the triune formula in Matthew 28:19.  What happened after that?1.  The Apostles totally disregarded this “great commision”, that was spoken to them directly from the mouth of their Lord, and decided completely on their own to ba…[Read more]

Mike, i just read your post now, will reply back hopefully tomorrow or the next day in my lunch break. Grace

Quote Read the entire (HUGE) opening post of this thread.  You'll see a ton of “evidence”, including the words of the Pope himself.  Mike, quoting Tom Harpur, Encyclopaedia’s, Catholics and Protestants especially Tyndale “VIEWS” or theories doesn’t change the *fact* that the early church believed Matthew 28:19 to be true.Just because an author[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2013,13:38)BTW Daniel,I'm not a JW, and didn't bother to read any of the material you posted about them.  I couldn't care less.  My understanding comes from scripture – not from the JWs, and certainly not from any other organization.The give away for people who are influenced by JWs doctrine or who are actually JWs – i…[Read more]

Hi Mike,Quote I understand that there is much evidence that supports the originality of Matthew 28:19.    I agree Quote There is also much evidence that those words are spurious.  I believe it was Eusebius who claimed that the original had, “Go baptizing in MY name”. You have provided me *no evidence*, I searched the forum which is took some ti…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 20 2013,13:46)4thomas could you show me that verse in the HEBREW VERSION OF THE GOSPEL OF MATHEW (Mat 28;19 )Pierre,So *do* you think the greek version's are corrupt… be careful of people who tell you that the bible isn't preserved and the *true* new testament was *only* written in hebrew. Yes I am aware that there…[Read more]

Quote 1.  Matthew 28:19 is thought to be spurious – added in by a scribe at a later time.  No one ever baptized using that formula in the scriptures.  Nor can anyone in their right mind assume Jesus was saying that the name of the Father, Son, AND Holy Spirit was “Jesus”.Secondly, I showed you a scripture where Jesus said he would come in the “g…[Read more]