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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 19 2013,12:11)Quote (4Thomas @ June 18 2013,00:40)Hi Mike,Question:  Who does Jesus mean when he says “my Father” and “my God”?B) By God as his relationship to his God as a man of flesh. A “man of flesh”?  So then you DON'T believe Jesus was “God on earth”, and “God in the flesh”?  That's a good start, Daniel.Anyway, I wa…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Hi Mike,Question:  Who does Jesus mean when he says “my Father” and “my God”?A) By Father in regard to his true relationship with him as “THE Word” and “one and only” SonB) By God as his relationship to his God as a man of flesh. He became man so we could become **adopted** sons.Jesus is true Son and true man Jesus hands created the heavens and…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Hi MikeAnd here is the greatest revelation to who and what he is in the Old Testament. And Jesus makes it because the Pharisees understand what he is saying. John 518This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Hi Mike,Let me be clearer.Imagine you could multiply yourself by expressing your substance – now imagine that generation of your true Son in front of you. As he comes from your substance alone you have direct unbroken communication. Now wouldn’t THIS be awesome!! your Son testifies who and what you are and is sent forth to do all your work – you d…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2013,13:18)Quote (4Thomas @ June 16 2013,19:09)Mike, this debate is not if Jesus is the Son of God but if he is true God or an arch angel or michael.I don't think Jesus is Michael, the archangel…. although I am aware of the scriptures that lead the JWs and others to believe that.  And I must say that those scriptures…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2013,12:52)Hope you have a great weekend, and a happy father's day.  :)  May each of your kids get you a tie!   :DThanks Mike, its not Fathers day here in NZ at the moment unless i'm missing something? Ah, just checked the wiki and its celebrated in different countries at different ti…[Read more]

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    Great to see, nice one T8 :-)Stu, here is a book you may want to take a look at.http://evolutionfacts.com/Handbook%20TOC.htm

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 12 2013,12:45)Quote (4Thomas @ June 11 2013,19:23)Isaiah 44:24Thus says the LORD , your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the LORD , who made all things, who ALONE stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by MYSELF,Hello there, Daniel!  I hope things are good with you and your family.  :)Thanks for the…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2013,13:53)Quote (4Thomas @ June 10 2013,19:35)Question:  Was Jesus already God's SON when God made the universe through him?  YES or NO? NOSo when exactly do you think “God Almighty the Son” changed from being “God Almighty the Son” and became “the Son OF God Almighty”?   (Please show scriptures that support your cl…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2013,14:00)Quote (4Thomas @ June 10 2013,19:35)Without an eternal Son you can’t have an eternal Father……Huh?  You just said Jesus WASN'T the Son in the beginning.  Now you're saying he was the “eternal Son”.  Which is it?Hi Mike,What I mean is the Son is an attribute of the Father -Just like Eve is an attribute of A…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Question:  Was Jesus already God's SON when God made the universe through him?  YES or NO? NO he wasn’t a Son of God like you think as an arch angel Son, he was the Fathers Word the Father’s expressed substance and image, An attribute of the Father, that is eternally radiated and expressed from the Father.  This is how Jesus is TRUE and “ONE a…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2013,04:08)Quote (4Thomas @ June 08 2013,23:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,06:58)Do you believe Jesus was the Son of the Most High God when the universe was created through him? YES or NO?Hi Mike,Already answered, please read my two last post on page *two*……….Hi Daniel,A simple YES or NO will do.…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2013,06:58)Quote (4Thomas @ June 06 2013,20:29)Mike, do we or the old testament people have access to the Father before Jesus came to earth?Absolutely.Quote (4Thomas @ June 06 2013,20:29)You said Angels were called Yahweh but this was proved incorrect.I'm quite sure that hasn't happened.Quote (4Thomas @ June 06…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Hi Mike,Hope you have a nice time with your Son.I believe Jesus is truely the one and only true Son, he is Son by generation. How would you Father your Son if he didn't come from his Mother?Mike, do we or the old testament people have access to the Father before Jesus came to earth? even now after Jesus died for our sake can we know get direct…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Mike,No thats not my rebuttal, thats why I said it doesn't bother me that Jesus is called the Son of the Most High (on page 3 I think?) Its important to note that scripture does say he will be called the Son of the most high? Before this, before he took flesh, he was called Yahweh.  I'm having a crazy day with peoples demands here at work eating…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Mike, I only get my lunch break to do this and its now over so will talk tomorrow at the same time.

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2013,12:22)Quote (4Thomas @ June 05 2013,19:19)Mike, can I please ask you some questions now?Hi Daniel,You can ask me ONE question at a time………. right after you address my ONE question in the 2nd post on this page.Mike,are you a speed reader?Did you see the note he will be called the Son of the most highPlease…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Sorry mike, that should read Jesus also referred to himself as the Son of God.Life in the SonDaniel

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Hi Mike,Jesus isn’t a creature angel son. Scripture explicitly teaches that Jesus was totally unique, unlike the angels, Jesus is the one and only. Jesus also referred to himself and the Son of God, this is because he is the Lord of Glory and the only true Son by eternal generation of the glory from the Father.1 John 4:9This is how God showed h…[Read more]

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    4Thomas replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (4Thomas @ June 04 2013,12:10)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,06:59)Daniel,I know your time is limited, so let's get down to the heart of this matter.1.  Do you believe there exists only ONE Most High God Jehovah?  YES or NO?Hi Mike,YES only one true God all others are false Gods.So yes One Almighty in essence/nature but this nature is e…[Read more]

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