Quote (2besee @ Mar. 21 2013,09:30)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 20 2013,11:58)At some point of course some writings went wayward.Yes, what point exactly. They are no different IMO than reading many of the posts here, and then using them to try and find 'proof', once some have been 'deleted' of course. Well that is what happened with the “Early Church Fathers”…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 20 2013,11:58)At some point of course some writings went wayward.Yes, what point exactly. They are no different IMO than reading many of the posts here, and then using them to try and find 'proof', once some have been 'deleted' of course. Well that is what happened with the “Early Church Fathers” from what I can gather. Of course…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2013,02:13)Quote (2besee @ Mar. 19 2013,16:07)t8, I thought that you were an Arian? The “Early Church Fathers” were not Arians but were Trinitarians. If you read their writings, you will get confused. I know that I did. They were inconsistent in what they wrote.All that you need is in the scriptures — and then there are…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 20 2013,10:59)Quote (2besee @ Mar. 20 2013,00:07)t8, I thought that you were an Arian? The “Early Church Fathers” were not Arians but were Trinitarians. If you read their writings, you will get confused. I know that I did. They were inconsistent in what they wrote.All that you need is in the scriptures — and then there are other…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 20 2013,03:06)2besee………Well put brother, Stu needs God to reaveal himself to him. He needs that Evidence which true Faith is built upon. I also will ask God the Father to reaveal himself to him too. peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………..geneGood Gene:)

Stuart, I would not call out to the Roman god Jupiter because the Roman god Jupiter has not revealed itself to me, nor ever will!When there is no evidence, then fair enough. God needs to reveal Himself to you first. So I will pray that he does.

God is spirit. And is there evidence of God around? Yes.Everywhere.Perhaps one day, you could try asking God to reveal Himself to you, Stuart.

t8, I thought that you were an Arian? The “Early Church Fathers” were not Arians but were Trinitarians. If you read their writings, you will get confused. I know that I did. They were inconsistent in what they wrote.All that you need is in the scriptures — and then there are other writings which were considered canon by the earliest Church. Trust them.

Notice: I have since edited the first posts in this thread, because I made an error in copying the Shepherd and missed out large chunks accidentally (mainly toward the end – the 9th similitude – now corrected.) My apologies.

Yes, I am well thank you Wakeup, thank you for asking. I am not spending much time on the Net anymore. Which is good And how are you?Will reply to your post when I feel like it, I don't know what to say really, I have grown tired of arguing the point ….  Have you ever gone to a Church? I mean apart from Catholic.

I made a big mistake when I copied 'The Shepherd' on page one – I (accidentally) missed most out the last chapters. So I will post them here. Actually I may make a duplicate thread with the correct chapters, and ask a moderator to delete this one.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 17 2013,17:40)Quote (2besee @ Mar. 16 2013,17:56)When you or anyone else says that John 1:1 is not about the “One God” but is rather about “Two Gods”, then I correspond what you are saying with Genesis 1:1 which is also “In the Beginning” – and I see it as fickle.There is more than one “beginning” in scriptures, 2B.…[Read more]

Also, they don't believe in an eternal hell.

Hi JB. Have you ever thought about visiting a Seventh Day Adventist Church? They are pretty good and are right into prophecy.Have you ever been there before?They do believe in a trinity… But they pray to the Father etc much more I have noticed than other Churches. They Do seem to know the difference, I think.

Quote (jb2u @ Mar. 17 2013,03:40)Lightenup…I watched the video and I have to say that I disagree.Jesus made it clear that he was not equal with the father!!First, in the verses that this preacher cited, he is wrong by saying in John 5:19 that Jesus did not refute their suggestion that he was saying that he was equal with the father.John 5:19…[Read more]

Hi Gene, thanks. I will read it properly when I can.Peace.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 16 2013,17:28)Quote (2besee @ Mar. 15 2013,04:20)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 15 2013,16:31)Quote (2besee @ Mar. 15 2013,13:10)Gosh, t8, all of those “theos/gods”!!Yes, I was an Arian myself, once (not too long ago).He is teaching the Greek usage of theos. It can be applied to the Most High, Angels, Men, Satan, idols, etc.You can't…[Read more]

Wakeup.You have a strange understanding of scriptures. You twist.Do you not understand what Peter is saying? Noah was a PARALLEL .”….Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, NOT AS A REMOVAL OF DIRT FROM THE BODY but as an appeal to…[Read more]

Thanks Abe. I'm thinking and reading.

Abe,We are it feels alone from any higher power but then the spirit convicts us of our sins and then the spirit is present in our life, guiding us the right way, and then the spirit heals us when we are in need, when we turn to God with all of our hearts.