Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2013,04:57)2beeI know about those scriptures , but those scriptures seem not to differentiate between the heavenly call first fruits and the ones in Christ,And those who came out of their tomb who are they (saints)???, how many were they And what happen to them later Did they die again Where they transformed Well, if…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 29 2013,14:23)So the thousand years is *not necessarily literal*, either, is it?HERE IS ANOTHER ONE; JUST GIVING SOME ROOM FOR ANOTHER TWIST AND SPIN IF THE TIME COMES TO DO SO.ONE THOUSAND YEARS MEANS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS.ONE DAY MEANS ONE DAY; NOT SOMETIMES TWO DAYS.HERE IS ANOTHER ROOM TO SPIN AND TWIST IF THE OCCASION…[Read more]

Wakeup, are you feeling okay? You seem really agitated. Is it something Peter said that disagrees with your doctrines?I said that I was giving and example only of how things in Revelations are symbolical written. Did you miss the part that I underlined?Peter was waiting for what, Wakeup? The coming NEW heavens and the new Earth – with the return…[Read more]

I am out of time so will get back to your post, T, and Wakeup in more detail later,

2nd Peter:But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.Yes, God has been waiting patiently hoping that…[Read more]

Wakeup,The Book of Revelations is written in symbolic form. I do not have the time to go through them all right now but here are a few examples, though I may disagree on their interpretations, it is an example only:Great Red Dragon —- SatanWoman who gives birth to Christ and to believers –The covenant communityBeast from the Sea —–Evil…[Read more]

Journey, yes let's get back to topic, the order of events. Continue.

Thanks Colter. Still looking into that Urantia and other things. will post more when I am able.

Okay thanks Wakeup. Will get back to you when i can.

T,Here are some scriptures to think about regarding the first and second resurrections, tell me what YOU know or think, okay.First resurrection: John 8: Truly, truly, I say to you, if any one keeps my word, he will never see death.” The Jews said to him, “Now we know that you have a demon. Abraham died, as did the prophets; and you say, `If any…[Read more]

Journey, we have been through this before. 1st Peter,18-22″For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the…[Read more]

Stuart, The only reason that I wrote to you with that 'story' which was very short, is because I have never been an atheist, so I cannot (no matter how hard I try) put myself into the shoes of an Atheist in that way. One thing that I have done is questioned everything. Despite God revealing Himself to me years ago, and despite all of the amazing…[Read more]

2 Peter 3 They deliberately ignore this fact, that by the word of God heavens existed long ago, and an earth formed out of water and by means of water, through which the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of…[Read more]

Journey, If the holy spirit has led you and Wakeup and Devo ALONE into all truth and no-one else, then did the Holy Spirit also lead you to believe that there is no need for water baptism, and no need to obey God's commandments and that they were nailed to the cross. You did say that didn't you? (And that is only a couple of things). Despite all…[Read more]

What is the eternal kingdom wakeup and when does it come according to Peter and According to Jesus in Matthew 24? As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they did not know…[Read more]

Yes, there goes the first twister.

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2013,14:11)Quote (jb2u @ Mar. 28 2013,09:40)Thank you Ed J and t8 for the welcome.As I said, I really do not like to argue. My goal was really just to see if someone knows of a church that teaches the truth. Who knew it would lead to 11 pages!!Hi JB2U,WE  “are the church”  you are looking for.Here's some inspirational P…[Read more]

Now most here that I have talked to so far either twist this to mean something else or ignore it completely. So what is it? Do you believe that Peter was speaking in some mystical way and did not mean what he said or do you believe that Peter should be 'ignored'?

Wrong color choice sorry, just testing.

Wakeup,I will be researching later to find out if, perhaps, these parts of Revelations have not been fulfilled already. Jesus did say that these things were soon to take place. So, before I answer your questions I will be doing some researching!