Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2013,16:23)Quote (2besee @ April 29 2013,21:15)Put them both together.I don't want to put those two very different teachings together, 2B.  I want to see where Hermas said the Word was a literal spoken word from God, or where Irenaeus says the Word is the Holy Spirit Son of God.Unless they BOTH say the SAME THING, one…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2013,16:08)Quote (2besee @ April 29 2013,20:49)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2013,15:30)Where did Irenaeus say the word was God's Holy Spirit Son?He didn't. Hermas did.So which one of them should we believe then?Put them both together.Hermas wrote first, and Hermas said the eternal Son was the Holy Spirit and Jesus was…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2013,16:02)Quote (2besee @ April 29 2013,20:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2013,15:25)As for the rest of what you said, I have never claimed that God is “more than one”.  Nor did Jesus.  And my understanding that our ONE God was talking to His divine counsel of angels in Gen 1:26 also doesn't imply that I think God i…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2013,15:30)Quote (2besee @ April 29 2013,19:38)Just saying that Irenaeus understood it the same way as Hermas, and they were BEFORE Origen.They are all just men, 2B.  Where did Irenaeus say the word was God's Holy Spirit Son?  I didn't see that part.He didn't. Hermas did. Ireneaus said plainly that the word in John 1 w…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2013,15:25)As for the rest of what you said, I have never claimed that God is “more than one”.  Nor did Jesus.  And my understanding that our ONE God was talking to His divine counsel of angels in Gen 1:26 also doesn't imply that I think God is more than ONE.  So I don't really know what all that is about.   I was rep…[Read more]

But, we are off topic! So I will let you get back to topic.

Wakeup, it is all scriptural.

Quote (abe @ April 29 2013,17:13)Quote (2besee @ April 28 2013,19:37)Quote (Wakeup @ April 28 2013,18:31)Quote (abe @ April 28 2013,15:04) Hi J42,Bump.Peace.What?  May be you need some coffe or something;To sober up.wakeup.Abe,Don't worry about Wakeup. He doesn't seem to know what bump means!!Hi 2b,Rev.12:5    And she gave birth to a son, a ma…[Read more]

Quote Ireneaus “even as John, the disciple of the Lord, declares regarding Him : “All things were made by Him, and without Him was nothing made.” That is John 1, and Ireneaus understood the one through whom all things were made to be God the Father through his own spoken word and his own spirit.Just as Hermas also believed the Son to be God's own…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2013,12:52)Quote (kerwin @ April 29 2013,03:30)Quote (2besee @ April 29 2013,09:05)Mike and Kerwin,”Said God, make man image, likeness, rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, the cattle all the earth…..”There is no “let us” or “our” in the Hebrew.2besee,Thank you. I had not heard that claim before.Hebrew is…[Read more]

Abe this is hard! Do you think that those two verses go together?Who do you think the woman is (in Rev 12:5)?

Res, I love those verses.

Quote (kerwin @ April 29 2013,22:30)2besee,Thank you. I had not heard that claim before.Kerwin, you are welcome.Forgot to put the link for the main text:http://biblos.com/genesis/1-26.htmWhere you see “our image” and “to our likeness” click on the strong's number to the left of the words.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2013,15:38)We know that Jesus, God's firstborn, and also myriads of angels were with God when He created the earth, and ultimately mankind.He could have been speaking ONLY to the firstborn, through whom He then created the adam.  Or He could have been speaking to the entire divine counsel of angels.To whom do YOU…[Read more]

Wakeup, to be honest, I think that if I saw a person starving to death, especially a child, if their survival and protection from being put into some abusive governmental camp or program depended on me, and some chip, I would ask forgiveness and take the chip. (Greater love has no man than he who lays down his life for another). I do not however…[Read more]

Quote Btw.I am not against water babtism.I like to make this clear. If by some circumstance, one is not babtised with water,but babtised with the Holy spirit,it does not prevent himfrom being accepted in the kingdom.Water does not stop him.Wakeup, so you have changed your tune, that is good to see. Do you believe now that being born again is…[Read more]

Abe, sure. I will take a look later for you.

Quote (Wakeup @ April 28 2013,18:31)Quote (abe @ April 28 2013,15:04) Hi J42,Bump.Peace.What?  May be you need some coffe or something;To sober up.wakeup.Abe,Don't worry about Wakeup. He doesn't seem to know what bump means!!

Isaiah 455 I am the Lord, and there is no other,besides me there is no God;I equip you, though you do not know me,6 that people may know, from the rising of the sunand from the west, that there is none besides me;I am the Lord, and there is no other.7 I form light and create darkness,I make well-being and create calamity,I am the Lord, who does…[Read more]

Elohim in the eyes of the Jew:http://www.outreachjudaism.org/articles/elohim.html