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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Quote The vineyard parable in Matthew 21 backs up the fact that this was no sacrifice or Jesus offering up his life. The Father in the parable says 'They will respect my son.' yet you believe the Father sent his son specifically to be killed.No, I do not believe that “God sent Jesus specifically to be killed”.I believe that God 'foresaw' exactly…[Read more]

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Hi Bod.I personally believe, as many many do, that the scriptures, the Bible, is truth, and I believe what it says.For example, when God first came to me, the scriptures were spoken, AGAINST me, then to reassure me. (discipline).God used the Bible to speak to me, endlessly.I will admit there were parts of Paul hard to understand (as Peter himself…[Read more]

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    I'll fix this post later, edit issue.

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Hi Bod,This is a long post, most of it is scripture.It took me hours, because, I went through scripture myself (read Matthew), and only have a phone, lol. So excuse the length.Okay,Bod,You cannot take a few isolated verses , taken out of context, as if looking for some 'hidden meaning' to something that was written multiple times in the new…[Read more]

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Bod,So you choose to believe, what? three little lines in the Quran, which could mean anything, when I will show you..this.I will begin with the Old Testament prophesies of the Son of God, Messiah and what was to happen.Psalms 21 Why do the nations rage, and the peoples plot a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth take a stand, and the rulers…[Read more]

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    Devolution, apology accepted :)And I agree. I left school aged 15 myself!I'm doing a scriptural post for bodhitharta, which will take a while, as I only have a phone (Oh, how I wish I had my computer). I'm also following the news closely (with Syria). So, might get back to this in a couple of days. Okay.

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    Quote Try not to be so defensive, my response was to your statement:Quote He makes this point too in his letters as a whole wherever he touches on these things. In all his letters there are of course some passages which are hard to understand, and these are the ones that uneducated and unbalanced people distort, in the same way as they distort the…[Read more]

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Hi Bod.As for the atonement question:The atonement is explained in Hebrews. Jesus offered his life once and for all.Jesus conquered death, and he that had power over death, that is, the Devil (Hebrews 2:14). He went down to the spirits in prison, and witnessed to them (1 Peter 3:19) and many of the dead were raised.Jesus became the eternal,…[Read more]

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Quote The Quran states:157 That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him…[Read more]

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Bod,Jesus is the first begotten from among mankind. He was the only sinless man.He was also, the only (first) begotten from the dead. He was crucified and dead for three days and nights, and then he was risen. He was unique in his risen state, according to scriptures. So, being taken up and being at God's right side, he is the only begotten Son of…[Read more]

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    Quote Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.I was only a babe when I asked God the question : “How will we know that it is you Lord, and not the false Christ?”I did not know prophecy. I…[Read more]

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    Quote We see again, like so many examples of the earth not being melted down at the coming, exactly what use all the rubble/ruins from all the fallen cities of the world eventually become during the millennium…the habitation of Satan's angels while their king is locked up.So, you are right, and Peter is wrong? Devolution: You are fearful, your…[Read more]

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    He who has an ear, let him hear.My dear friends, this is the second letter I have written to you, trying to awaken in you by my reminders an unclouded understanding.1.Remember what was said in the past by the holy prophets and the command of the Lord and Saviour given by your apostles.2.First of all, do not forget that in the final days there will…[Read more]

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Bod, I disagree.Matthew 16Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesare′a Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do men say that the Son of man is?” And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Eli′jah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, “You are the Chris…[Read more]

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 25 2013,12:58)Quote (2besee @ Aug. 25 2013,09:28)Bod, I believe that God's word is “God's word”.It is God's word that came to me several years ago, and spoke (within and without me, if you know). God's word is a light in the darkness, and gives life. God's word is exactly what it is – God's word. It is God, and the only…[Read more]

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Good Bod good. So, what is the Holy Spirit? (Let's have an open mind, and not follow the doctrines of men).Btw, It's nice taking to you like this.

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Bod, further,Now we know from scriptures, that.. God, is in Heaven. The Holy Spirit was sent, and the Holy Spirit was in Jesus, though Jesus said that God was in him, AND, God was in Heaven.So, the word must be the Holy Spirit. That is the only way that I can see it.

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Bod, I believe that God's word is “God's word”.It is God's word that came to me several years ago, and spoke (within and without me, if you know). God's word is a light in the darkness, and gives life. God's word is exactly what it is – God's word. It is God, and the only way possible, at present, to perceive God. God is spirit.Now, as for what is…[Read more]

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Bod,I could go around and around with you I could make big posts stating my position and belief, and you could tell me yours, but both of us know that this will have no end You know in your heart that Christians squabble endlessly over stupid things, not that they are stupid, but they are worthless to the listeners. What point is there having so…[Read more]

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Bod,God creates all through his spoken word and spirit (Genesis one)..God's word is God's word. God's spirit is God's spirit.Would not the trinity/binity/Islam, have God's word as something else?Islam has truths, Christianity has truths. But there is only ONE truth.I agree with you and Islam that God is not a man and so does not procreate as man…[Read more]

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