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    Hi.

    God is more than doctrine, if it is simply doctrine, then we have lost the spirit and the love that we once had. The only way to progress forward is to let go of doctrine.

    If one believes in trinity, or Arian, or, whatever, so long as it is in their own mind and they do not attempt to teach it to other believers in a “you are wrong and I…[Read more]

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    Wakeup, Impossible?Daniel chapter 3.

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Thank you :)

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Hi Bod, I'll have to get back to you in about a week, my data is getting low.

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    Quote (Resting @ Sep. 03 2013,20:35)Quote (2besee @ Sep. 03 2013,18:24)Wakeup, I have quoted scriptures after scriptures to you, but you turned a blind eye. The world will be burnt up with fire, only some will survive.Right now  »we should be watching Syria«  …..the gathering world powers, and Russia.I posted all of these as dreams on this for…[Read more]

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    Quote The angels of Rev.ch 12 and most everywhere else are men.Michael and his angels are the prophets.The dragon and- his angels the false prophets.Resting, welcome back.I have reason to believe that you may be correct!

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    Wakeup, I have quoted scriptures after scriptures to you, but you turned a blind eye. The world will be burnt up with fire, only some will survive.Right now  »we should be watching Syria« …..the gathering world powers, and Russia.I posted all of these as dreams on this forum. But you scoffed at them, on a separate thread, as did another me…[Read more]

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    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 29 2013,04:50)Quote (2besee @ Aug. 26 2013,13:09)He who has an ear, let him hear.My dear friends, this is the second letter I have written to you, trying to awaken in you by my reminders an unclouded understanding.1.Remember what was said in the past by the holy prophets and the command of the Lord and Saviour given by your…[Read more]

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Bod, I tried to find you some good videos explaining what I am saying, but didn't find much. Instead I found something unrelated, which I thought was quite good, (they are only short).Hope you like them!The first video is a shortened version of a sermon made to youth.</object

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Bod, This is an excellent site I think from memory, and I think it is adventist, though I could be wrong. Please do some research.http://www.helltruth.com/q-a/the-rich-man-and-lazarus.aspx

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Bod,Posting Bible verses to you won't help you, because you do not BELIEVE in the Bible – though you say that you do, you don't.If your believed in the Bible, then you would believe in ALL that it says repeatedly, about the crucifixion and death of Jesus etc, but you do not.

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Bod,God is just. YES, there may be some place of temporary and just punishment. But, eternity is either life or death.I have shown you the scriptures for that.Another of the most obvious verses is this..2 Peter  3:7 But the heavens that now are, and the earth, by the same word have been stored up for fire, being reserved against the day of…[Read more]

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Hi Bod, I will leave you with some verses, but there are plenty more.Romans 6:23 The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our LordJohn 3:16  'For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.'John 5:24  “Truly, truly, I say to y…[Read more]

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Bod,The true God is love, there is no fear in love. God is our Father, and though he lets us go for now to do what we should do, he at any moment could gather us under his wings to safety. The God of Islam is not love because there is a certain fear, because those who do not comply will go to hell where people are tortured unimaginably, and when…[Read more]

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Bod, “where the worm dieth not”, not the person.Jesus said:”Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Really?Qurans eternal hell. (From using the Quran's keyword search),Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. ( , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #56)If a man kills a believer…[Read more]

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (2besee @ Aug. 30 2013,00:51)I will get to the rest of your post soon.Quote Then it must be the good news that Islam preaches because Christianity and the Gospel has been already preached to all of the nations exhaustively. No! the Quran does NOT bring “good news”. The Quran teaches of an angry God, who punishes people for eternity in hot…[Read more]

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Hi Bod,The “satisfaction theory of atonement” did not seem to be taught until the 11th century.More can be read here:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_influence_theory_of_atonement(I hope that link works, it is the auto mobile link. If it does not, then google “moral influence theory of atonement wikipedia”).

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    Hi Bod,No – I do not hold to the western view of (ransom sacrifice is it?). That is western, and i do not think that you would find that view in the Middle East.This is what I believe – The moral influence view:(Wikipedia) “The moral influence view of the atonement teaches that the purpose and work of Jesus Christ was to bring positive moral…[Read more]

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    2besee replied to the topic Bod in the forum Debates 11 years, 4 months ago

    I will get to the rest of your post soon.

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