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Nick……….What you don't understand is Spirit is Spirit , Intellect is intellect. The spirit of GOD is call HOLY SPIRIT, the word HOLY means Set apart or Special , That is like saying there is UNDERSTAND of a HIGHER LEVEL and there is LOWER understanding ,Those who are of the heavenly understand are of a higher understanding and those who are earthly are of the Lower understanding, as Jesus expressed. GOD Gives the Higher understanding or intellect , but non the less it still understanding or intellect.
And Yes When we die the Spirit we Have does go back to GOD who gave it , rather its (HOLY SPIRIT) or Just standard Human SPIRIT it all goes back to him who gave it without exception, and we no longer think , “For in the day a man dies His thought parish, scripture says. We do not go off into heaven and are given Harps to play while we float around in the clouds of heaven some where. WE (ALL) remain dead until we are (RESURRECTED) BY THE POWER OF GOD. The only one who has risen is Jesus Christ as yet.
Those who have Holy Spirit and Been forgiven their Sins through the blood of Jesus have eternal life granted to them upon conversion, Jesus Said they have Passed from Judgment to life. This is reserved for all who truly believe and are Called and Chosen, But they still die and will be raised as Jesus was in the future. Non of this has occurred Yet for any of us. If I preach a different then please explain what that is Nick. IMO
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So now God just has more understanding than men and animals?
You really do not understand the Spirit of God at all.
You must be born again from above.Then you would learn that understanding and intellect are just vain icons.
Nick…….. YOU Mean you did not Know GOD has (MORE) understanding than Man or animals? surely you jest. Seeing you seem to think you are “born” from above Please explain it to us then. What Spirit really is then, O and please use scripture. I used Scripture to explain what Jesus said it was, But you (who is BORN from Above) don't believe what He or I have said, so explain it to us then.
Nick……….believe me True understanding and True Intellect are (NOT) VAIN ICONS. That is like saying just be a Idiot because you are born from above. Have you not heard of the (WISDOM) of GOD? and the KNOWLEDGE of the MOST HIGH. How the SPIRIT Of GOD searches the deep things of GOD. Being (TAUGHT) BY GOD means your acquiring KNOWLEDGE, Do you think there is no KNOWLEDGE, UNDERSTANDING, and WISDOM there. Being Born from above does Not mean you remain or get Stupid. But maybe to you it does, don't know, but tell us what it is to “understand the spirit of GOD” then if you truly know lets hear it.. IMO
gene
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That is not the problem.
God has more understanding and we who share that Spirit can tap into it[1Cor2]
But the Spirit is as the finger of God empowering the brothers of Jesus with gifts and fruit that reflect the powers and nature of God Himself.Nick……..where did i ever say the Spirit is Not the finger of GOD that empowers us. (ALL) SPIRIT IS FROM GOD. Without GOD (NO) Spirit would exist Period, good or evil Spirit (NOTHING) would exist. IMO
gene
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Wrong again.The Spirit of God has no part of the natural man but the breath of God gives him life.
The fruit of natural man is of the evil one.The Father of spirits does not pour His Spirit into unclean vessels.
Nick………When (any) man dies (HIS) Spirit returns to (him who gave it). Now your contradicting scriptures again. Spirit is simply (intellect ) and it empowers us with Thought or the Mind, the power we all ready have given us by berth into these bodies give us power to carry out our thoughts, and if these thoughts are from the Spirit or Intellect or thoughts of GOD they produce the fruits of that SPIRIT from the INTELLECT of GOD. Which is a higher Standard then that Spirit (intellect) That comes from the world. The “natural ” man is simply a man that has the intellect he recieved from the world, as John said. You said the Father of Spirits does not pour His Spirit into unclean vessels is totally wrong , How do you think His cleans those “unclean” vessels it not by his Spirit. For you are (being) (WASHED) by the WASHING of the WORD. This Word is SPIRIT and it DOES Cleans US from all unrighteous thinking. When we meditate on God's words we are sowing to the Spirit. Your lack of understanding about spirit is not surprising seeing you don't believe what Jesus said about it. IMO
gene
YHWH is the sacred name of the One True God! The New Testament clearly identifies the Father as being YHWH. Jesus NEVER claims that he is YHWH, but the Son of the One True God.
Exodus 3:15 And God saith again unto Moses, `Thus dost thou say unto the sons of Israel, Jehovah, God of your fathers, God of Abraham, God of Isaac, and God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you; this is My name — to the age, and this My memorial, to generation — generation.
Exodus 6:3 and I appear unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty; as to My name Jehovah, I have not been known to them;
Acts 3: 13 `The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, did glorify His child Jesus, whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, he having given judgment to release him,
Lev 22:2 `Speak unto Aaron, and unto his sons, and they are separated from the holy things of the sons of Israel, and they pollute not My holy name in what they are hallowing to Me; I am Jehovah.
Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me.
Re 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, a* Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having+ His Father's name written on their foreheads.
Jesus DECLARES his NAME as the anointed, as the CHRIST!
Mt 24:5 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.
Joh 20:31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.
The Thinker teaches 100% PURE ANTICHRIST. He says we need to believe that Jesus has another name other then Christ, that we must believe that he is also YHWH, that he is part of the God of the OT. Jack DENIES the Father, he believes that Jesus is his OWN Father.
1 John 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
2Th 1:12 that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 5:20 giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
One thing that I'd like to know is that if the Jesus that made up YHWH in the OT was so important, then how did YHWH get along without him when he came down to be a human being?
Luke 18:18 Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 19So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
So Jesus says this because he is NO LONGER God? If there is ONE and Jesus does not identify himself as that ONE God, how do you deal with THAT given your doctrine Jack?
Notice what is said after Jesus talked about there being ONE God of who alone is good.
20 You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery,' 'Do not murder,' 'Do not steal,' 'Do not bear false witness,' 'Honor your father and your mother.' ” 21 And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.” 22 So when Jesus heard these things, He said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” 23 But when he heard this, he became very sorrowful, for he was very rich. 24 And when Jesus saw that he became very sorrowful, He said, “How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God! 25 For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.“
The God in the beginning of the passage was not Jesus, neither is the God in the rest of the passage. Jesus is that man given authority over the Kingdom of God, he is NOT that God, but the SON of that God, the Son made Lord and Christ BY that God.
Acts 17:23 for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: 24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men's hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. 26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also His offspring.' 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
Jesus was not and is not YHWH. Jesus IS the CHRIST!! The God of the Old Testament, is the Father, and hallowed be His NAME, YHWH!! Our Heavenly Father PROMISED to bring into the world a MAN, who would BE His Son. YHWH NEVER promised to make part of Himself into a man
. What He did promise before He made the world was eternal life for man. Jesus IS NOT YHWH, he is the first born of the dead!Quote (Gene @ Oct. 02 2009,00:44) Nick………When (any) man dies (HIS) Spirit returns to (him who gave it). Now your contradicting scriptures again. Spirit is simply (intellect ) and it empowers us with Thought or the Mind, the power we all ready have given us by berth into these bodies give us power to carry out our thoughts, and if these thoughts are from the Spirit or Intellect or thoughts of GOD they produce the fruits of that SPIRIT from the INTELLECT of GOD. Which is a higher Standard then that Spirit (intellect) That comes from the world. The “natural ” man is simply a man that has the intellect he recieved from the world, as John said. You said the Father of Spirits does not pour His Spirit into unclean vessels is totally wrong , How do you think His cleans those “unclean” vessels it not by his Spirit. For you are (being) (WASHED) by the WASHING of the WORD. This Word is SPIRIT and it DOES Cleans US from all unrighteous thinking. When we meditate on God's words we are sowing to the Spirit. Your lack of understanding about spirit is not surprising seeing you don't believe what Jesus said about it. IMO gene
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Pure gnosticism.
Go back to the source.Quote (Jodi Lee @ Sep. 23 2009,17:49) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 23 2009,16:48) Quote (Jodi Lee @ Sep. 23 2009,12:22) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 23 2009,11:48) Hi Jodi,
The Man Jesus is the Christ, anointed at the Jordan.
Born of David according to the flesh and Son of God according to the Spirit.But none of these facts deny his unique origins.
WHY would they DENY his unique origin? On the contrary don't they DECLARE his origin? Jesus is the man created from God's direct will of whom He promised to bring into existence.
Jodi.Jesus origins are not around 0AD, but way before that according to scripture.
Glory to God through Jesus Christ before all ages.
Through Jesus CHRIST, you said t8, through all ages!!The CHRIST is the MAN born of the seed of David, where does scripture say that Christ was anything else?
t8 is it your belief then that a human being of the seed of David literally existed in the beginning with the Father, not as a promise to come, but as a person who actually existed?
Micah 5:2
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times. “I don't say it, I only repeat it.
John 8:58
“I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”“I am” doesn't mean YHWH, it means “I existed”.
I think, therefore I am.
T8………Yes Jesus origins were from ancient times , in fact his (Origins ) was before GOD even created the earth, It was exactly what GOD had in mind all along. (Origin) does (not) imply a preexist (BEING) and can not be used as Proof of preexistence . Use you common sense what Point would it be for GOD to Kill a perfect preexisting Being and rebirth him through incarnation and Kill him again. What would that prove to anyone about anything? Peter said it best , GOD (FOREORDAINED) Jesus (BUT) MANIFESTED (brought him forth) in our time. GOD Plan all along was to perfect (MAN) not some already perfect Being and us Him as a model for us, no He brought a Man into existence and Perfected HIM and this MAN was Jesus born through the tribe of Judah and was of the root and offspring of DAVID , just as scripture said he was. T8 you have to get rid of (ALL) the trinitarian teachings to see clear. No scripture say Jesus Preexisted HIS berth as a Being. If ther is a specific Scripture that says that i have never seen it . This idea of Jesus' preexistence only serves to separate Jesus from our personal Identity and causes us not to see Jesus as one of US Humans , by giving Him special advantages over us which he never had, other then GOD was with Him to perfect Him at His berth. He is the first of GOD intended Plan of perfecting all of man kind, he is exactly like us in every way without exception. IMO
peace and love………………..gene
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