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WJ…………..The Anointed or Anointed ONE is the SAME thing. WJ you are wrong there is ONLY ONE (JESUS) IS IS A ANOINTED ONE.
MESSIAH SIMPLY MEANS ANOINTED ONE Without the a NOUN attached to the word it could mean anyone, as I have shown where Anointed in scripture can apply to anyone who has GOD'S Spirit IN or on them. What do you people do Just throw out of your bibles things that don't agree with your theologies. Not (EVERY) time the word (CHRISTOS) appears it is talking about the MAN JESUS. AS I have shown you all from scriptures. CHRISTOS, that followed the childern in the wilderness was the (HOLY SPIRIT) Anointed on all of GOD'S Chosen leaders including His angles also. WJ……….ONLY (ONE) TRUE GOD, WHO ANOINTS WITH his SPIRIT.
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Quote (Gene @ Sep. 27 2009,22:40) WJ…………..The Anointed or Anointed ONE is the SAME thing. WJ you are wrong there is ONLY ONE (JESUS) IS IS A ANOINTED ONE.
Anathema! There is only “One Anointed One”, (Christ, Christos=Messiah)!Where is the scripture Gene where the word “Christos, Christ” is applied to any other but Jesus? I am waiting?
Quote (Gene @ Sep. 27 2009,22:40) MESSIAH SIMPLY MEANS ANOINTED ONE Without the a NOUN attached to the word it could mean anyone, as I have shown where Anointed in scripture can apply to anyone who has GOD'S Spirit IN or on them.
You have not shown where the word “Christos, Christ” applies to anyone other than Jesus? Still waiting for that “One Scripture”, just one Gene!Quote (Gene @ Sep. 27 2009,22:40) What do you people do Just throw out of your bibles things that don't agree with your theologies. Not (EVERY) time the word (CHRISTOS) appears it is talking about the MAN JESUS.
I am asking the same question of you Gene. Where is the word “Christos” talking about anyone else but Jesus? Please quote the scripture. It is you who is just throwing the facts out of the scriptures Gene!Quote (Gene @ Sep. 27 2009,22:40) AS I have shown you all from scriptures. CHRISTOS, that followed the children in the wilderness was the (HOLY SPIRIT) Anointed on all of GOD'S Chosen leaders including His angles also.
So the Rock that followed them was Moses and YHWH’s leaders? Can you substantiate this with scriptures Gene? Did Moses and the leaders “Follow the children of Israel in the wilderness”?That is not what Paul is saying, look again…
“AND DID ALL DRINK THE SAME SPIRITUAL DRINK“: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and “that Rock was Christ“. 1 Cor 10:4
Was Moses and the leaders the same spiritual drink that we drink of which is Christ Spirit?
The word “Christ” in the NT is always referring to Jesus!
Strong's G5547 – Christos = Christ = “anointed”
1) Christ was the Messiah, the Son of God
2) anointed
The word “Christ” (Christos) was the Greek term for the “Anointed One” or “The Messiah”, and not the “anointing” or Holy Spirit.
“569 TIMES THE WORD “CHRIST” IS USED IN THE NT AND IN EVERY CASE IT IS REFERRING TO JESUS”.
The Apostle Paul, under the influence of the Holy Spirit USED THE WORD “CHRIST” (CHRISTOS) “57” OTHER TIMES IN THE EPISTLE AND ALL OF THEM REFER TO JESUS, yet you want to tell us that Paul meant something or someone else besides Jesus in 1 Cor 10:4.
Please Gene, show us the one scripture where we are “Christ” or “The Anointed One” “The Messiah”. Turn away from your false doctrine and turn to Christ who is “The Rock”!
Quote (Gene @ Sep. 27 2009,22:40) WJ……….ONLY (ONE) TRUE GOD, WHO ANOINTS WITH his SPIRIT.
True, and who is it that anoints now? Who is the Baptizer of the Holy Spirit and fire?WJ
WJ……….read 2COR1:21, NOW He that has established us (IN) Christ (the anointed) (AND) HAS ANOINTED US IS GOD.
Jesus himself was also anointed . WJ why can't you understand that. (ALL) anointing of HOLY Spirit comes from GOD EVEN the ANOINTING of Jesus comes from the ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD. There is only ONE SPIRIT of GOD not two or three triune anythings, Just ONE GOD WHO IS SPIRIT. He gave His spirit on many over the years in the OLD Testament as well as the NEW.
Jesus was a particular Anointed one, Yes we all know that BUT the Word Christos , means anointed, the word Messiah Anointed One was first and then the word CHRISTOS came from the GREEK . GOD has sent many anointed one and Saviors to man and to the nation of Israel. Jesus is the ONE Particular Anointed one that the Prophets and Moses talked about that GOD would Send. As the Samaritan women at the well told Jesus that GOD would Send , but to assume GOD only anointed Jesus and never sent other anointed ones is not scriptural. I have listed the scriptures which ones are you in disagreement with. IMO
gene
Gene
Quote (Gene @ Sep. 27 2009,23:37) Jesus was a particular Anointed one, Yes we all know that BUT the Word Christos , means anointed,
The word “Christ, Christos = the Messiah, the Anointed One”!There is only “One Messiah”, “Anointed One” Gene!
Quote (Gene @ Sep. 27 2009,23:37) the word Messiah Anointed One was first and then the word CHRISTOS came from the GREEK .
Where is the word Messiah “first” and then “Christos”? “The Greek word for Messiah is Christos“!Where is the scripture Gene?
WJ
Quote (Gene @ Sep. 27 2009,23:37) WJ……….read 2COR1:21, NOW He that has established us (IN) Christ (the anointed) (AND) HAS ANOINTED US IS GOD.
Jesus himself was also anointed . WJ why can't you understand that. (ALL) anointing of HOLY Spirit comes from GOD EVEN the ANOINTING of Jesus comes from the ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD. There is only ONE SPIRIT of GOD not two or three triune anythings, Just ONE GOD WHO IS SPIRIT. He gave His spirit on many over the years in the OLD Testament as well as the NEW.
Jesus was a particular Anointed one, Yes we all know that BUT the Word Christos , means anointed, the word Messiah Anointed One was first and then the word CHRISTOS came from the GREEK . GOD has sent many anointed one and Saviors to man and to the nation of Israel. Jesus is the ONE Particular Anointed one that the Prophets and Moses talked about that GOD would Send. As the Samaritan women at the well told Jesus that GOD would Send , but to assume GOD only anointed Jesus and never sent other anointed ones is not scriptural. I have listed the scriptures which ones are you in disagreement with. IMO
gene
GeneQuote (Gene @ Sep. 27 2009,23:37) WJ……….read 2COR1:21, NOW He that has established us (IN) Christ (the anointed) (AND) HAS ANOINTED US IS GOD. I have already shown you Gene that they are two different words…
The words “Christ” and “Anointed” in that verse are two different words (Christos and chriō) but again you are refusing to see the truth by implying that they mean the same thing!
There is only “One Christos”, Anointed One the Messiah!
WJ
WJ…….While Christ is definitely relating to Jesus, I am not arguing that point, what I am saying the very word Means (ANOINTED) and JESUS was indeed the ANOINTED SON of GOD. But you seem to forget it was HIS (Anointing From GOD) that empowered Him , Not that (HE) was GOD. And as I brought out GOD has Anointed others as well. But you are right as to most of the time in the New Testament It is referring to Jesus I am not arguing that point. But to lose site that it is the (ANOINTING) that counts in the Person, and trying to make it Synonymous with a particular Name (alway) is not necessarily true. It Should be understood as , JESUS THE ANOINTED, OF GOD THE FATHER. IMO
peace and love………………gene
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 28 2009,09:41) Quote (Jodi Lee @ Sep. 28 2009,05:07) 1 Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness. After further thinking on the above scripture the following scripture came to me.
Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he became of age, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter, 25 choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, 26 27 By faith he forsook Egypt , not fearing the wrath of the king; for he endured as seeing Him who is invisible. 28 By faith he kept the Passover and the sprinkling of blood, lest he who destroyed the firstborn should touch them. 29 By faith they passed through the Red Sea as by dry land, whereas the Egyptians, attempting to do so, were drowned. 30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down after they were encircled for seven days.………..39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, 40 God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.
The Christ Paul was referring to was the MAN who died on the cross, not some pre-existent god son.
- So the christ who was born 2000 years later followed the children of Israel and Moses and yet he didn't actually exist.
- “Before Abraham, I am”, doesn't mean that he existed before Abraham.
- And when it says that he is the root and offspring of David, it means that he is the offspring, but not the root.
It doesn't make sense to me.
Looks more like a bunch of excuses than a non-biased and correct rendering of scripture.
1 Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.2Ti 1:9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ JESUS before time began,
John 8:54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, 'I do not know Him,' I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Jesus IS the Christ, there did not exist before Jesus ANOTHER CHRIST. The Christ was a promise to come, and that which would come would be flesh. The embryo in Mary was fully human, it was not some sort of pre-existing immortal son. Jesus grew in knowledge and needed the Father for everything, there existed within Jesus NO advantage of some god son, or immortal son. There existed NO promise of an immortal son Christ or god son Christ coming from heaven to us, changing himself into a man Christ.
GRACE existed in the beginning! Eternal life was promised in the beginning THROUGH the MAN that would one DAY come, that man being Jesus born of Mary of the seed of David. Through the MAN that would come, ALL things on earth were created, nothing would have been created without the MAN, Jesus our Christ. Abraham saw the coming Christ and it made him glad, Abraham KNEW of the coming Christ, he did NOT know of some immortal son Christ, and what he knew was FROM the beginning. The fact that all things were created because of Jesus Christ, that makes Jesus the root of David.
Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he became of age, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter, 25 choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, 26 esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt; for he looked to the reward.
Moses was not aware of some god son Christ, or immortal son Christ. He was aware of eternal life and the coming man, Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 9:25 And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown. 26 Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air. 27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified. 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
The spiritual rock, is the future WORK of Jesus Christ. There existed no immortal son Christ or god son Christ that followed Israel around. What was WITH Israel was the FUTURE COMING of the CHRIST.
TRULY t8, you think that Christ CAME to man not in the flesh prior to coming in the flesh?…that is such a very ANTI CHRIST doctrine IMO.
Matthew 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, “He shall be called a Nazarene.”
Who shall become a Nazarene the immortal son Christ, or the MAN that was promised to come and be MADE the Christ?
Lu 18:31 Then He took the twelve aside and said to them, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of Man will be accomplished.
Luke 24:39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.” 40 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41 But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, “Have you any food here?” 42 So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. 43 And He took it and ate in their presence. 44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written
in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures. 46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.There was NO immortal son Christ that followed Moses and the people around in the wilderness.
Joh 1:45 Philip found Nathanael and said to him, “We have found Him of whom Moses in the law, and also the prophets, wrote–Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.”
John 6:42 And they said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, 'I have come down from heaven'?” 43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
Acts 3:18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, 20 and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began. 22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.' 24 Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also foretold these days. 25 You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, 'And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.' 26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”
Once again scripture shows that there existed NO immortal servant son Christ, before Jesus Christ. Moses and the prophets spoke NOTHING of such a person. They KNEW of the coming Christ, not of a morphing or changing Christ.Acts 15:15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written: 16 'After this I will return And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down; I will rebuild its ruins, And I will set it up; 17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord, Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, Says the Lord who does all these things.
Acts 26:22 Therefore, having obtained help from God, to this day I stand, witnessing both to small and great, saying no other things than those which the prophets and Moses said would come– 23 that the Christ would suffer, that He would be the first to rise from the dead, and would proclaim light to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.”
The spirit of Christ that existed during the time of Moses, was the KNOWLEDGE of the MAN Jesus who would one day come. Scripture never shows the existence of some sort of immortal son Christ following people around, teaching and instructing them.
Ac 28:23 So when they had appointed him a day, many came to him at his lodging, to whom he explained and solemnly testified of the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus from both the Law of Moses and the Prophets, from morning till evening.
Romans 1:1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name,
Heb 1:1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.
James 5:8 You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand. 9 Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned. Behold, the Judge is standing at the door! 10 My brethren, take the prophets, who spoke in the name of the Lord, as an example of suffering and patience.
1 Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, 7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, 8 whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9 receiving the end of your faith–the salvation of your souls. 10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.
Very clear from the above scripture that the Spirit of Christ that was in the prophets was not some immortal son Christ teaching them things, what was in them was the KNOWLEDGE of the coming Jesus Christ, of whom was taught to them by the Father.
Hi Jodi,
The Spirit in the prophets was the same Spirit in Christ Jesus.
The Spirit of God is one.Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.
Nick…….> the SPIRIT (IS) the ANOINTING, Jesus was Anointed with. Same Spirit GOD anoints us with NO Difference. We Just don't have the (fullness) yet that Jesus Has. All anointing of (HOLY) Spirit comes from (ONE) source GOD the FATHER HIMSELF. Jesus said the (FATHER) who is (IN) ME (HE) doth the works.
gene
Quote (Gene @ Sep. 30 2009,00:46) Nick…….> the SPIRIT (IS) the ANOINTING, Jesus was Anointed with. Same Spirit GOD anoints us with NO Difference. We Just don't have the (fullness) yet that Jesus Has. All anointing of (HOLY) Spirit comes from (ONE) source GOD the FATHER HIMSELF. Jesus said the (FATHER) who is (IN) ME (HE) doth the works. gene
ANATHEMA! You just said that we share equal authority with Christ. ANATHEMA!
The scripture says that He was “ANOINTED ABOVE HIS FELLOWS” (Hebrews 1:9). It says also that He was given the Spirit “WITHOUT MEASURE” (John 3:34).
ANATHEMA!
thinker
TT,
You put words in Genes mouth and then dare judge him for them?
We are indeed to share the same anointing that was given to Jesus Christ
In fact we are to do greater works than even the head of the Body.[jn14.12]Jesus of Nazareth was anointed with the Holy Spirit and power[acts10]
We share that blessing but are limited by the authority of the head of the body.
The branch that does not submit to the vine is useless and those who claim their miracles as proof of salvation can be deceived.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 23 2009,05:45) Jesus “Eternal Spirit did not die!
PURE 100 % ANTI CHRIST PREACHING!There exists NO such scripture that says certain people's spirit goes to be with the Lord, while other spirits goes to hell.
Ecclesiastes 3:17 I said in my heart, “God shall judge the righteous and the wicked, For there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.” 18 I said in my heart, “Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals.” 19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity. 20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust. 21 Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth? 22 So I perceived that nothing is better than that a man should rejoice in his own works, for that is his heritage. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him?
ALL spirits go upward. These spirits are NOT conscious.
Ec 12:7 Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.
The spirit has been taken away. That which GIVES life to man is YHWH, He gives man LIFE, and He takes it away.
Ps 13:3 Consider and hear me, O Lord my God; Enlighten my eyes, Lest I sleep the sleep of death;
Psalms 115:17 The dead do not praise the Lord, Nor any who go down into silence.
Psalms 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of You; In the grave who will give You thanks?
Isaiah 38:18 For Sheol cannot thank You, Death cannot praise You; Those who go down to the pit cannot hope for Your truth.
Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going.
There exists NO scripture that says when we die we are immediately judged and go to a place of reward or punishment, that we go either to heaven to be with the Lord or we go to some place underground. WHEN we are RAISED FROM the dead THAT IS WHEN we are judged! Until then we sleep the sleep of DEATH, waiting unconsciously to be restored with a new human body that is given once again the breath of life from YHWH.
Daniel 12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth–those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.
1 Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” 51 The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man. 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed–
Utter foolish this day in age, when YHWH has revealed to man so many facts about the human brain, that people want to continue to preach through superstitions based from ignorance. MAN is a created creature, he is made up of MATTER, elements from the periodic table. The Mind of man is within MATTER for our brain is made up of matter, and when we die the matter that makes it possible for us to THINK dies and decomposes with the REST of our bodies! What is rather fascinating however is that even though we die there still exists a CODE that identifies each of us. Within this code exists not just what the person looked like but also the individuals memory and character. The code is like a recipe, give it the proper matter and YHWH's breath of life, and you've got yourself a resurrection!!
Without a body and the breath of life, our spirit has no animation or consciousness, it is just a code.
Jesus was just like any other man, when he died, there existed NO life, no consciousness. However the promise was that his flesh would not see corruption, so YHWH did not let the body of Jesus decompose, instead He gave life back to the same body that had died. That body however was changed from mortal to immortal.
Hi Jodi,
Yes the spirit of man returns to God and only those reborn of God's Spirit have eternal life.
The salvation of the Soul is the purpose of God.[1Peter]Jodi…………good post sis. When we die that is it, until GOD resurrects us, and give us new bodies and puts Spirit back into it. If He did not we would never ever live again. “When a man dies His (thoughts) Parish”. We will have New bodies with New Spirit in it. Never to sin again, “whoso ever is born of the Spirit can not sin”. God the FATHER creates us anew, with new power and new Spirits(intellects) and bodies. AS you quoted , WE have born the image of the earthly , we shall also bare the image of the heavenly. What a wonderful time that will be.
peace and love to you and yours Jodi………………………..gene
G,
You are deeply deceived.
God does not put His Holy Spirit into men facing the judgement and the possibility of the second death.NIck……… I was talking about the rebirth of the CONVERTED NICK, GOD is the SOURCE of ALL SPIRIT, both GOOD and EVIL He Created (everything) in existence, without Him (NOTHING) could exist or ever existed. If you doubt this GO and reread Genesis and see that GOD even made the Serpent you believe is a real being. So then even “he” was God's Creation. I did not say GOD'S (HOLY SPIRIT) in all people until they are Judged. But ALL SPIRIT (IS) FROM GOD who gives it. Nick if GOD gave it and it goes back to HIM, then He (IS) the source of SPIRIT. Common sense should tell you that Nick. IMO
gene
Quote (Gene @ Sep. 30 2009,15:45) Jodi…………good post sis. When we die that is it, until GOD resurrects us, and give us new bodies and puts Spirit back into it. If He did not we would never ever live again. “When a man dies His (thoughts) Parish”. We will have New bodies with New Spirit in it. Never to sin again, “whoso ever is born of the Spirit can not sin”. God the FATHER creates us anew, with new power and new Spirits(intellects) and bodies. AS you quoted , WE have born the image of the earthly , we shall also bare the image of the heavenly. What a wonderful time that will be. peace and love to you and yours Jodi………………………..gene
Thanks Gene,Yes it will truly be a wonderful time. I feel so blessed to SEE it and UNDERSTAND it, and I am thankful that you do too brother!
Love to you, Jodi
G,
You say
Jodi…………good post sis. When we die that is it, until GOD resurrects us, and give us new bodies and puts Spirit back into it. If He did not we would never ever live again. “When a man dies His (thoughts) Parish”. We will have New bodies with New Spirit in it. Never to sin again, “whoso ever is born of the Spirit can not sin”. God the FATHER creates us anew, with new power and new Spirits(intellects) and bodies. AS you quoted , WE have born the image of the earthly , we shall also bare the image of the heavenly. What a wonderful time that will be.”Have you not yet been reborn of the Spirit of God?[1Peter1.3]
Will the Spirit of God forsake you at death and have to be back given later?[Heb13.5]you preach a different gospel do you not?
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