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[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 15 2013,02:15)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 15 2013,01:16) Marty………Yes that is true , but first they have to “HEAR” his Voice, that is not an Self act That (TRUE) hearing is of God. Did not Jesus plainly say He that has ears to hear let him hear Not everyone has the ears to hear, only those who God is calling have been given eyes to see and ears to hear. Just as Isiah said, they have eyes to see but see not and ears to hear but hear not. I maintain my stand it is God who opens the mind to hear and gives the eyes to see before a man can even truly respond. It has nothing to do with a mans own efforts. Why did Jesus even say “NO” man “CAN” come unto me unless the Father Draw (Greek drag) him.   Our own “FREEWILL” choices does not initiate our salvation , it is a work of God.  Remember brother we are SAVED  BY “GRACE” and that “NOT” of OURSELVES> it is a “GIFT” of GOD , IMO. peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………gene Gene: The preacher is sent by the Lord to preach the gospel to every creature, and faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.   When someone believes the gospel and comes to God with a repentant heart, he is saved, and then comes the process of sanctification with the Holy Spirit leading the saved individual into all truths in the Word of God with the individuals cooperation.  James would put it this way: “Faith without works is dead”. Quote 1Jo 3:9   Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.   1Jo 3:10 ¶ In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother It is true that while we yet sinners Christ died for us, and so, it was God who came looking for us, and not us for Him, but when he calls me into a relationship with Him, it is up to me to accept His invitation or not.  My choice, He will not force me into this relationship. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty….. Scripture says “God gives to each man a “measure” of Faith”, some God gives more then others, like the rich man who keep all of Gods law, but when it came to selling all he has and giving it to the poor he could not do it. He knew there was a God and sought to be in the kingdom of God , but he simply on his own did not have enough faith to do what Jesus ask him to do. . therefore Jesus said concerning him , what is impossible with man all things are possible with God. Jesus knew by his response he was no called and God had not given him enough faith, at that time in his life.

Again I repeat Jesus' words , “NO” Man “CAN” come unto me unless the FATHER DRAW, Greek DRAG him. Just that simple Marty. No ones salvation is from himself, no matter how hard he or she tries. Salvation is a creation of God the Father. Remember Marty what it says, it is God who workers “in” us “both” to “WILL” and DO OF “HIS” Good Pleasure.

Peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 15 2013,08:40)

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 15 2013,02:15) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 15 2013,01:16) Marty………Yes that is true , but first they have to “HEAR” his Voice, that is not an Self act That (TRUE) hearing is of God. Did not Jesus plainly say He that has ears to hear let him hear Not everyone has the ears to hear, only those who God is calling have been given eyes to see and ears to hear. Just as Isiah said, they have eyes to see but see not and ears to hear but hear not. I maintain my stand it is God who opens the mind to hear and gives the eyes to see before a man can even truly respond. It has nothing to do with a mans own efforts. Why did Jesus even say “NO” man “CAN” come unto me unless the Father Draw (Greek drag) him.   Our own “FREEWILL” choices does not initiate our salvation , it is a work of God.  Remember brother we are SAVED  BY “GRACE” and that “NOT” of OURSELVES> it is a “GIFT” of GOD , IMO. peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………gene Gene: The preacher is sent by the Lord to preach the gospel to every creature, and faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.   When someone believes the gospel and comes to God with a repentant heart, he is saved, and then comes the process of sanctification with the Holy Spirit leading the saved individual into all truths in the Word of God with the individuals cooperation.  James would put it this way: “Faith without works is dead”. Quote 1Jo 3:9   Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.   1Jo 3:10 ¶ In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother It is true that while we yet sinners Christ died for us, and so, it was God who came looking for us, and not us for Him, but when he calls me into a relationship with Him, it is up to me to accept His invitation or not.  My choice, He will not force me into this relationship. Love in Christ, Marty Marty….. Scripture says “God gives to each man a “measure” of Faith”, some God gives more then others, like the rich man who keep all of Gods law, but when it came to selling all he has and giving it to the poor he could not do it. He knew there was a God and sought to be in the kingdom of God , but he simply on his own did not have enough faith to do what Jesus ask him to do. . therefore Jesus said concerning him , what is impossible with man all things are possible with God. Jesus knew by his response he was no called and God had not given him enough faith, at that time in his life. Again I repeat Jesus' words ,   “NO” Man “CAN” come unto me unless the FATHER DRAW, Greek DRAG him.  Just that simple Marty. No ones salvation is from himself, no matter how hard he or she tries. Salvation is a creation of God the Father. Remember Marty what it says, it is God who workers “in” us “both” to “WILL” and DO OF “HIS” Good Pleasure. Peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene

Gene:

Faith for salvation is simply one coming to God with a repentant heart believing the gospel.

The same gospel is preached to every creature. God does not give more of this type of faith to one over another. He is not a respecter of persons.

I have already showed that Jesus said “no man can come to the Father unless He draw them”, and that was that “he knew who would believe the gospel and who would not, and I guess that it is the following scripture that you are referencing:

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Eph 1:3 ¶ Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ: Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Eph 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Which again just means that he as seen from the beginning who will believe the gospel and who will not, but it does not mean that God is a respecter of persons.

He said the following:

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2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

The rich man was under the Law of Moses and thought that he could earn his salvation through perfect obedience of the Law, and no, none of us can earn our salvation. Salvation is by faith so that it might be by grace.

Our commission as the church of the Living God is to preach the gospel to every creature hoping that all will believe and be saved, and God desires this as well, but knows that some will not believe.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[942767]

Hi Gene:

The reference that you make relative to God giving “a measure of faith” which may differ from one individual to another is addressed in the scriptures below. This has to do with the ministry gifts.

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Rom 12:3 ¶ For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. Rom 12:4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: Rom 12:5 So we, [being] many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. Rom 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, [let us prophesy] according to the proportion of faith;

Love in Christ,
Marty

[GeneBalthrop]

Marty…… It's all About being “GIVEN” as you have posted it, and the GIVER IS GOD, and not all have been GIVEN the Same measure right? God gives it as he pleases. But the bottom line is God is the one GIVING IT RIGHT? Brother
Now to whom much has been given, “MUCH”  is required, and to whom LITTLE has been ” GIVEN” LITTLE IS REQUIRED. There is a parable about the master giving his servants different amounts of money , and upon return he makes them accountable of what he gave them, and while I might not have been given much talent , I have at least put it to use,  that The Lord will have what's His with usury and hopefully with some increase. I have not buried what he has given me. IMO

GOD Knows how much he has GIVEN to each of US brother. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 16 2013,10:12)

Marty…… It's all About being “GIVEN” as you have posted it, and the GIVER IS GOD, and not all have been GIVEN the Same measure right? God gives it as he pleases. But the bottom line is God is the one GIVING IT RIGHT? Brother Now to whom much has been given much is required, and to whom LITTLE has been ” GIVEN” LITTLE IS REQUIRED. IMO GOD Knows how much he has GIVEN to each of US brother. IMO Peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene

Hi Gene:

Faith for salvation comes through hearing the gospel. The same gospel is preached to every creature.

I have showed you the scriptures relative to God giving an individual an amount of faith to operate in a certain ministry gift, and a different amount to another depending of the ministry gift that the individuals have.

This does not have anything to do with God giving someone more faith that another for the purpose of salvation. He does no such thing. If He did this, He would be a respecter of persons, showing favoritism to one over another. That is not the God that I know as my heavenly Father.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

gene

Paul ; and Christ ;work;(s)

AC 13:2 While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”

AC 14:26 From there they sailed to Antioch, from which they had been commended to the grace of God for the work that they had accomplished.

1CO 3:13 each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s. work

Phil 2:12 So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence,work out your salvation with fear and trembling;

MT 5:16 “Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven

JN 6:27 “Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.”

see you think that Paul his your brother just like you think Christ his your brother but you say that we do not have to do anything just sit tied and wait ,Paul and Christ disagree with you ,you must not have the same spirit guiding you,right

how many scriptures are you denying

[GeneBalthrop]

Terricca….. There you go lying again, I have never said we do nothing, show me one place where I have ever said that. What I said is we can not “EARN” our salvation, it is given us by the GRACE OF GOD. I have posted many scriptures that back that up. I am telling you not to lie against me again .

All true Christians , by virtue of Gods spirit have the love of God in them and are moved and as a result, by that spirit to do good works, Just as it says “For God works in us “BOTH” to “”WILL” and DO of “HIS” GOOD “PLEASURE” IF GOD'S “WILL” is at work in a persoN he will do GOOD “WORKS” . Why do you think Jesus Said this. The Son of Man can do “NOTHING” OF HIMSELF, the FATHER “IN” HIM DOES THE WORKS? the question here is not are good works being done, but who is the one causing it to be done, it was God in Christ causing him to DO THE WORKS HE WAS DOING , and it is the same God in Jesus' true brothers and sisters causing them to “DO” good WORKS ALSO. IMO  

Those who build from themselves , there OWN “FREEWILL” are those “SELF” RIGHTEOUS ONES, who build with wood, hay, and stubble, they are indeed building from themselves and “THEIR” WORKS! Shall be BURNED UP , for the fire will test those works, but those who through the eternal SPIRIT of GOD, are BUILDING with precious stones, and silver and Gold, their works will survive.

I am warning you again not to lie about what I have said, I have never said what you say I have said, you simple are a liar and a deceiver, you are doing the works of your father, the DEVIL. You serve only one purpose here and that is to cause division. IMO

gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 16 2013,10:25)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 16 2013,10:12) Marty…… It's all About being “GIVEN” as you have posted it, and the GIVER IS GOD, and not all have been GIVEN the Same measure right? God gives it as he pleases. But the bottom line is God is the one GIVING IT RIGHT? Brother Now to whom much has been given much is required, and to whom LITTLE has been ” GIVEN” LITTLE IS REQUIRED. IMO GOD Knows how much he has GIVEN to each of US brother. IMO Peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene Hi Gene: Faith for salvation comes through hearing the gospel.  The same gospel is preached to every creature. I have showed you the scriptures relative to God giving an individual an amount of faith to operate in a certain ministry gift,  and a different amount to another depending of the ministry gift that the individuals have. This does not have anything to do with God giving someone more faith that another for the purpose of salvation.  He does no such thing.  If He did this, He would be a respecter of persons, showing favoritism to one over another.  That is not the God that I know as my heavenly Father. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty…….. did they not ALL here?, it says, but being not mixed with Faith they did not attain. GOD said of those Israelites they have all together became useless, but he has kept a few. Indeed Faith comes by hearing , but the hearing comes by the work of God in the mind and heart of the ones he is calling, that is true even to this day, for not all who hear have the Faith. Just as it say regarding ISRAEL, GOD has blinded them until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, he is also able to graft them in again, By giving them the Faith they need. By opening up there hearts and minds , by “REVEALING” in them the truth . Marty I am not talking about us doing Nothing I am talking about the “Cause” of those Works we do, it is the love of GOD shed abroad in our hearts, you may have missed understood what I was saying brother. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 16 2013,20:55)

Terricca….. There you go lying again, I have never said we do nothing, show me one place where I have ever said that. What I said is we can not “EARN”  our salvation, it is given us by the GRACE OF GOD. I have posted many scriptures that back that up. I am telling you not to lie against me again . All true Christians , by virtue of Gods spirit have the love of God in them and are moved and as a result, by that spirit to do good works, Just as it says “For God works in us “BOTH” to “”WILL” and DO of “HIS” GOOD “PLEASURE” IF GOD'S “WILL” is at work in a persoN he will do GOOD “WORKS” . Why do you think Jesus Said this. The Son of Man can do “NOTHING” OF HIMSELF, the FATHER “IN” HIM DOES THE WORKS? the question here is not are good works being done, but who is the one causing it to be done, it was God in Christ causing him to DO THE WORKS HE WAS DOING , and it is the same God in Jesus' true brothers and sisters causing them to “DO” good WORKS ALSO. IMO   Those who build from themselves , there OWN “FREEWILL” are those “SELF” RIGHTEOUS ONES, who build with wood, hay, and stubble, they are indeed building from themselves and “THEIR” WORKS! Shall be BURNED UP , for the fire will test those works, but those who through  the eternal  SPIRIT of GOD, are BUILDING with precious stones, and silver and Gold, their works will survive. I am warning you again not to lie about what I have said, I have never said what you say I have said, you simple are a liar and a deceiver, you are  doing the works of your father, the DEVIL. You serve only one purpose here and that is to cause division. IMO gene

gene

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Terricca….. There you go lying again, I have never said we do nothing, show me one place where I have ever said that. What I said is we can not “EARN” our salvation

I never talked about earning the grace that God gives ,what I am saying if you do not produce the works their of YOU LOSE YOUR ACCESS TO THE GRACE OF GOD ,

and you can not know what are the works to do unless you learn from the written words of God what you have to do ,

but sins we all are approaching the scriptures with our own worldly views it is hard to some to understand that you have to trow all those habits and teachings away to be replaced by Gods words and understanding ,FAILING TO DO SO IN TIME MAY COST OUR LIVES ,GOD DOES NOT PLAY GAMES.

but all this you know or should know

[GeneBalthrop]

Terricca……..Your focus is all on your own HUMAN efforts, and is disreguarding THE GRACE OF GOD. Or haven't you read this, where sin did abound, GRACE does much more abound, for you are saved by GRACE and that “NOT OF YOURSELVES” it is a gift of GOD. that was my complete point, it had nothing to do with should we or should we not obey God or His words we all know we should obey him.

But do we still sin at times YES WE DO. Paul plainly said this. The good I would I DO NOT, but the Evil I should not do THAT I DO, O, WRETCHED MAN THAT I AM, who can deliver me from this body of death, I thank GOD , through Jesus Christ.

But you would have us believe you never sin or it OK for you to excuse yourself, but not for anyone else who might have sinned. In that you present yourself as a hypocrite  . John said if we say we have no sin we are a liar (present tense) and the truth is not “in” us. But if we sin we have an advocate with the Father Jesus Christ the righteous , who makes intercession for us , He is the propitiation for our sins.

It also says   if we confess our sins God is “FAITHFUL” to “FORGIVE OUR SINS” and to “CLEANS US FROM “ALL” unrighteousness. who is able to cleanse us , ourselves or GOD? It say GOD IS ABLE.

So am I, like what they accused Paul of , condoning Sin,  GOD FORBID, I nor He is or was, saying it's ok to sin, but as Paul's said with my mind I serve the laws of God , but with my body the law of sin and death. Therefore  it is no longer I,  who sin, but  sin, that dwells in this body. Which at times brings my mind into captivity   That is a “WRETCHED” STATE  OF EXISTENCE, that is why PAUL said ” O WRETCHED MAN THAT I AM”, WHO CAN DELIVER ME FROM THIS “BODY”  OF DEATH?

I have never said OUR STATE of  PRESENT “GRACE” IS A LICENSE TO SIN, and if you accuse me of saying that you are a LIAR?

gene

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 17 2013,20:59)

Terricca……..Your focus is all on your own HUMAN efforts, and is disreguarding THE GRACE OF GOD. Or haven't you read this, where sin did abound, GRACE does much more abound, for you are saved by GRACE and that “NOT OF YOURSELVES” it is a gift of GOD. that was my complete point, it had nothing to do with should we or should we not obey God or His words we all know we should obey him. But do we still sin at times YES WE DO. Paul plainly said this. The good I would I DO NOT, but the Evil I should not do THAT I DO, O, WRETCHED MAN THAT I AM, who can deliver me from this body of death, I thank GOD , through Jesus Christ. But you would have us believe you never sin or it OK for you to excuse yourself, but not for anyone else who might have sinned. In that you present yourself as a hypocrite  . John said if we say we have no sin we are a liar (present tense) and the truth is not “in” us. But if we sin we have an advocate with the Father Jesus Christ the righteous , who makes intercession for us , He is the propitiation for our sins. it also say if we confess our sins God is “FAITHFUL” to “FORGIVE OUR SINS” and to “CLEANS US FROM “ALL” unrighteousness. who is able to cleanse us , ourselves or GOD? It say GOD IS ABLE. So am I, like what they accused Paul of , condoning Sin,  GOD FORBID, I nor He was or am saying it's ok to sin, but as Paul's said with my mind I serve the laws of God , but with my body the law of sin and death. Therefore  it is no longer I,  who sin, but  sin, that dwells in this body. Which at times brings my mind into captivity   That is a “WRETCHED” STATE  OF EXISTENCE, that is why PAUL said ” O WRETCHED MAN THAT I AM”, WHO CAN DELIVER ME FROM THIS “BODY”  OF DEATH? I have never said OUR STATE of  PRESENT “GRACE” IS A LICENSE TO SIN, and if you accuse me of saying that you are a LIAR? gene

GENE

all you said is of your own personal composition ,and opinions ,show me your full scriptures that can backup your statements ,you have none ,and you never answer trait forward questions neither

most of your answer does not even is related to what I discuss and so goes to never land with peter pan (peter pan syndrome)

[GeneBalthrop]

Terricca…….YOU could careless for the truth of God or what scripture says. And if you can't see what I posted is in complete alinement with the word of God , then your the one in Peter Pans world IMO. I can give you scripture word for word and it will Aline with what I said, exactly. I have posted them word for word before you many times but you still denied them. Face the truth you have only one purpose here and that is to cause division and confusion and hinder the growth of truth. IMO

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