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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 07 2013,03:42)

Marty……. Yes we are to bear witness , but to change a persons heart and mind is a process that only God can do. unless The Lord builds the house the weary builders toil in vain, unless The Lord is the cities shield, the guards maintain a useless watch. Jesus said this, “”NO” man “”CAN” come unto me unless the Father Draw him. We are only witnessing here that we are the children of God, and that is all we can do, we simply have no power to give the reality needed in the mind and heart of a person that comes from God alone. What we need to do is make sure we do not prevent any one God is drawing to him, because it would be better for a mill stone to be tied around our neck and we be cast into the sea , then to offend or prevent any of these little ones. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene

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unless The Lord builds the house the weary builders toil in vain, unless The Lord is the cities shield, the guards maintain a useless watch. Jesus said this, “”NO” man “”CAN” come unto me unless the Father Draw him.

if you obey and follow God's direction HE WILL SHOW YOU HOW TO BUILT YOUR HOUSE ACCORDING TO HIS SPECTS ,NOT YOURS,

AND IF YOU ARE NOT DRAWN TO GOD THE FATHER BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THE LIGHT OF HIS ,THEN YOU WILL REMAIN ON THE DARK SIDE .

August 7, 2013 at 4:38 pm#353568

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Terricca………So you portray yourself as greater then GOD right?, because you tell us, what GOD will or will not DO based on “YOUR CHOICES”, You are giving yourself control of you salvation by you so-called “FREE WILL” Choices. Good luck your going to need it. IMO

peace and love ………………………………gene

August 7, 2013 at 4:42 pm#353569

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Peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene

Yes Gene, only God can change a person's heart, but He will not force Himself on anyone, and so, a person must choose to confess Jesus as Lord if he so desires. God desires a relationship with every human being, and wants them to be His children, but it is a choice that every person has to make of his own “free will”.

Love in Christ,
Marty

August 7, 2013 at 5:41 pm#353570

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peace and love ………………………………gene

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I have shown you many scriptures to that effect but you deny them ;so it is you that rejected God's will and messenger Christ ,not me

August 10, 2013 at 6:51 pm#353799

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Peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty……. If God truly changes your heart and writes his laws in your inward part, he does not have to order you to do right you will automatically do what is right , because your heart has been “MADE RIGHT” by GOD, it has nothing to do with you SO-CALLED “FREEWILL” CHOICES, why? Because just as it says, it is GOD who “WORKS” (IN) us “BOTH” to “WILL” AND DO OF “HIS” GOOD Pleasure. Most human natured people, “HATE” that GOD is in FULL control, because they want there own righteousness to be from the “SELF” , but God says your “righteousness ” is as FILTY RAGS to Him.

So there is a righteousness from SELF, and there is a Rightiousness from GOD, many mix them up. IMO, that is the reason many prayers of So-Called “Christians”, go unanswered, because men are thieves and will apply what God does to themselves, they do not Glorify God for what
He does, therefore as it says , for when they knew God they did not glorify Him as God, so He turns them over in there minds to do evil things. All creation has going that way as a whole, except just a few who truly know God and always give him the credit for what He does. IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene

August 10, 2013 at 7:15 pm#353803

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I have shown you many scriptures to that effect but you deny them ;so it is you that rejected God's will and messenger Christ ,not me

Terricca……. Why lie against the truth, you have not so much as posted one scripture, the says we are saved by our so-called FREEWILL choices. I have posted all kind of scripture that proves that is not true. You blabber off like your the one posting scripture about this subject when in fact you have not quoted or posted so much as even one. IMO

gene

August 10, 2013 at 9:52 pm#353815

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I have shown you many scriptures to that effect but you deny them ;so it is you that rejected God's will and messenger Christ ,not me

gene

EX 18:20 then teach them the statutes and the laws, and make known to them the way in which they are to walk and the work they are to do.
DT 5:31 ‘ But as for you, stand here by Me, that I may speak to you all the commandments and the statutes and the judgments which you shall teach them, that they may observe them in the land which I give them to possess.’
DT 6:7 You shall teach them diligently to your sons and shall talk of them when you sit in your house and when you walk by the way and when you lie down and when you rise up.
DT 11:19 “ You shall teach them to your sons, talking of them when you sit in your house and when you walk along the road and when you lie down and when you rise up.

MT 5:2 He opened His mouth and began to teach them, saying,
MK 6:34 When Jesus went ashore, He saw a large crowd, and He felt compassion for them because they were like sheep without a shepherd; and He began to teach them many things.
MK 8:31 And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
MK 10:1 Getting up, He *went from there to the region of Judea and beyond the Jordan; crowds *gathered around Him again, and, according to His custom, He once more began to teach them.
JN 8:2 Early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began to teach them.

Jn 17:6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.
Jn 17:7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you.
Jn 17:8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.

Jn 17:14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.

Jn 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.
Jn 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THOSE SCRIPTURES WHAT DID CHRIST TEACHED WAS IT NOT THE WORD OF GOD THE SCRIPTURES YES ,BUT HIS DISCIPLES LISTEN NOT LIKE YOU THAT DOES NOT LISTEN,HEAR, SO CAN YOU UNDERSTAND BEATS ME

Gene ;learning the scriptures is the first step to know God and the one he send his son ,but thier is more in scriptures than just the elamentary teachings,we also have to practice as we preach to others,this is part of the faith that God as provide to whom ever want to listen,of cause only those with an interest to know God will com ,in one way or another ,

August 11, 2013 at 3:17 pm#354782

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Terricca……..I knew the scriptures before you probably ever hear of a bible. So preaching you version of what they say is useless. But you have quoted some scriptures that completely prove what I have told you. I see you problem clearly, you are mixing up carnel human efforts, which produce works of the flesh, and all of those people failed and were unable to keep Gods laws. Because they sought it not by Faith in God , but by Works of Law, and this is what you preach. HUMAN EFFORT IS what saves YOU
And nothing could be further from the truth then that.

Let me show you wher you miss tw whole thing . You quoted Jesus as saying this, NOW PLEASE PAY ATTINTION , Jesus sai… I have revealed you to those “YOU” HAVE GINEN ME. tell me Pierre was it those people who by their own so-called FREEWILL choice gave themselves toJesus or was it GOD who caused them to go to Christ? One is a human effort and the other is a work of God in the heart and mind of those who went to Jesus.

Pierre………..Just go back and read what you posted, and when you are done with that go and read Galatians and Romans, and if you can't figure out the our salvation has nothing with OUR so-called “FREEWILL” Choices and it is GOD ALONE who saves us then there is simply no hope for you at this time, Unless you repent of you SELF SALVATION ideology I am weary with try to show you what is so obvious to any true Christian, and that is simply put, this we are saved by “GRACE” and that “NOT” of or from OURSELVES IT IS A “GIFT FROM GOD. there is simply no other way you will not slip in the back door by going to all those CARNEL COMMANDMENTS and attempting to find your acceptance through them , no man keeps them not then nor now, except one and that I was
JESUS. If you are not made right by the WORK OF GOD you simply are non of His. True Righteousness is a creation OF GOD? IT IS HIS WORK AND HIS ALONE THAT SAVES US? I AM TIRED OF GOING OVER AND OVER THe same thing day after day with you, you simply are unable to grasp it, it appears.

Peace and love………………….gene

August 11, 2013 at 9:20 pm#354814

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Terricca……..I knew the scriptures before you probably ever hear of a bible

I was 19 years old when I start reading for the first time the bible ,I am almost 74 do you bead me

I have heard bible stories wen I was 3,4,5,6,7, years old
like Jesus,Daniel,Jacob,Abraham,Samson,Noah,Peter,Paul ect;

August 11, 2013 at 9:31 pm#354815

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Peace and love………………….gene

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tell me Pierre was it those people who by their own so-called FREEWILL choice gave themselves

everyone of men or living men that ever as accepted the truth HE AS DONE IT FREELY LIKE IN HIS FREE WILL ,LIKE IN NOT BE FORCE INTO IT ,LIKE A FREE CHOICE,

take you for example you are stumbling on the truth of God ,why ? because for some reason you HAVE YOUR OWN WILL THAT WILL NOT SURRENDER TO GOD AND HIS SON ,YOU DO SURRENDER IN WORDS ,WITH YOUR LIPS ,BUT NOT WITH YOUR HEART ,AND SO RESIT TO CHRIST ,AND ARE STUCK AND WILL NEVER PROGRESS UNTIL YOU ARE TOTALLY SUBMIT TO ,GOD,

ON THE OTHER HAND YOU HAVE ME SCRIPTURES THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE ,NO QUIK NO QUAK ,I HAVE STUDY THEM FOR A LONG TIME AND STILL DO , YET WE BOTH HAVE THE FREEWILL TO ACT ON WHAT GOD REQUIRES ,BUT HAVE TAKEN DIFFERENT ROADS ,DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS

August 11, 2013 at 11:29 pm#354824

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Terricca……..so according to you Jesus was a liar when he said “NO” MAN CAN COME UNTO ME Except, THE FATHER DRAW HIM you keep think you save your self by you so-called “FREEWILL” choices, but produce not one scripture that says that. God also said he looked for “ONE” RIGHTEOUS MAN AND FOUND NONE!, he must have over looked you right, because your such a law keeper, not like the rest of true Christians who are changed in their hearts by God himself.

The apostle Paul said this the good that I would do, I do not, but that evil that I would not do that I do, O retched man that I am who can deliver me from this body of death, he thanked God through Jesus Christ he would be delivered. but you are more righteous then Paul was evidently and are able through your own “freeWill” to choose for yourself how to save yourself. you are not being “CREATED” unto good works, you by your FREEWILL choices make you own good work It appears you have no need of GOD the FATHER OR JESUS, Just your own Will does it, interesting.

You to me are proof of one thing for sure, and that is how a man all his life hears Gods word and never come to understand it, to me that is very sad Pierre.

Peace and love to you and good luck, your going to need it, IMO. ……………………..gene

August 12, 2013 at 12:08 am#354830

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THE FATHER DRAW HIM

what scripture say this

August 12, 2013 at 12:14 am#354831

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GENE

JN 12:32 “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”

HEB 4:16 Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

HEB 10:22 let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

JAS 4:8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

ARE ALL THOSE SCRIPTURES LYING GENE

WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO DECEIVE ME

August 12, 2013 at 2:35 pm#354891

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Terricca……….. How can I decieve a person who is already decieved? The us used there, is refering to truly converted Christians, they have the revelations given them by God “IN” them. That is not speaking to the world in general, becasue they do not have the Spirit of God “IN” them and are unable to come “TRULY” unto Jesus on their own, there minds have not recieved the revelation of God into them yet and they are unable to atain to salvation apart from God “DRAWING “THEM UNTO JESUS.

Jesus Said, John 6:44….> “No man “CAN” come unto me, except the Father which sent me, DRAW HIM; and I will raise him up at the last day

and more, John 6:45..> It is written in the prophets, And they shall be “ALL” taught of or by God, Every man therefore that has heard, and has learned “OF” or FROM the Father comes unto me.

Did you see it , “EVERY” MAN THAT has “HEARD” and has “LEARNED” of or FROM the FATHER, comes unto Me (JESUS). The rest simply do not come unto Jesus. Because if they have not the Spirit of Christ they are none of His.

Pierre if you would pray and ask God the Father to show the truth of these things unto you , he may. IMO

peace and love……………………….gene

August 12, 2013 at 3:04 pm#354895

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Jesus Said, John 6:44….> “No man “CAN” come unto me, except the Father which sent me, DRAW HIM; and I will raise him up at the last day

Pierre if you would pray and ask God the Father to show the truth of these things unto you , he may. IMO

peace and love……………………….gene

GENE

Jn 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.
Jn 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.
Jn 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
Jn 6:40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”
Jn 6:41 At this the Jews began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”
Jn 6:42 They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”
Jn 6:43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered.
Jn 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.
Jn 6:45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.
Jn 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.

here are the context of your single scripture that you claim and mean that only people that are called BY GOD WILL BE SAVED ;COULD YOU SHOW HOW IS IT THAT CHRIST MEANS THIS

I know that christ came and only 11 apostles were included in the new covenant he made or what you you say

please read those scriptures very carefully so that you are found truthful

August 12, 2013 at 3:42 pm#354902

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Peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene

Love in Christ,
Marty

peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene

Hi Gene:

But my wanting to do what is right is by my choice.

Did this man have a choice?

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2Ti 4:10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia

Also, Jesus explains in the following scriptures why he stated that no man came come to the Father unless He draws him:

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Jhn 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

Jhn 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Love in Christ,
Marty

August 13, 2013 at 5:10 pm#355032

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Marty……Yes Jesus did know who believed in him and who did not from the “BEGINNING” that was God reavealing it to him ” the Spiirt of Truth” that all true believer have. Jesus Know full well as he said , “NO” MAN “CAN” Come unto me except the Father “DRAW” Greek for Drag> God work “IN” our hearts and MIND to bring about our salvation, Man has Nothing to do with it , or a man could say He by his own Choice chose his salvation, making him the author and finisher of his salvation. God the Father does not want that to be in his Face now or forever. Just as Jesus told his disciples , you did not choose me I chose you He did not want them to get puffed up as most SELF WILLED People do. They are thieves and Steal the Glory of God and try to apply it to themselves. And remember this Paul clearly said this, “GOD” “WORKS” in us “BOTH” to “WILL” and do of “HIS” Good Pleasure.

True believers do not “STEAL” what God DOES and apply it to themselves, Therefore Jesus said, “all who ever came before me were liars and thieve”, many now are the same today, by trying to steal what God the Father and Jesus are doing and applying it to themselves. Salvation is not a human effort it is a “CREATION BY GOD the FATHER “IN” All who he saves, and no man gets the credit for what God Does but God himself. Just as it says God give “HIS” GLORY to “NO” man God the Father from start to finish is the only one responsible for our salvation and He is to recieve all the credit for it. IMO

He that has ears to hear let him hear.

peace and love to you and yours Marty…………………………………..gene

August 14, 2013 at 12:57 am#355067

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He that has ears to hear let him hear.

peace and love to you and yours Marty…………………………………..gene

Gehe:

We are saved when we come to God with a repentant heart having believed the gospel.

And so, God is calling whosoever will come. It is his choice to either accept the salvation offered to him by God or decline it. God will not force Himself on anyone.

But yes, Jesus has seen who will believe and be saved and who will not, and has explained that is what he meant by no man can come to the Father unless He draw him.

I know you are set on what you believe about this, but I believe that you are wrong.

Jesus stated this:

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Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me

He says: If any man hear my voice, and open the door, then I will come in

He will not come in unless someone opens the door.

Love in Christ,
Marty

August 14, 2013 at 2:16 pm#355133

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Marty………Yes that is true , but first they have to “HEAR” his Voice, that is not an Self act That (TRUE) hearing is of God. Did not Jesus plainly say He that has ears to hear let him hear Not everyone has the ears to hear, only those who God is calling have been given eyes to see and ears to hear. Just as Isiah said, they have eyes to see but see not and ears to hear but hear not. I maintain my stand it is God who opens the mind to hear and gives the eyes to see before a man can even truly respond. It has nothing to do with a mans own efforts. Why did Jesus even say “NO” man “CAN” come unto me unless the Father Draw (Greek drag) him. Our own “FREEWILL” choices does not initiate our salvation , it is a work of God. Remember brother we are SAVED BY “GRACE” and that “NOT” of OURSELVES> it is a “GIFT” of GOD , IMO.

peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………gene

August 14, 2013 at 3:15 pm#355136