Words are spirit and life

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what those words really mean is this ; THE WORDS (the gospel,the true understanding of the new covenant to save your live from this cursed world) those are WORDS ,(SPIRIT = UNDERSTANDING) BRING YOU TO LIVE IN THE TRUE WAY OF WHAT LIVE IS ;EVERLASTING LIVE IN GOD KINGDOM,

Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”

THE LIGHT BEING the deeds of the faith this faith brings LIVE TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND THAT PRODUCE THE DEEDS OF IT

August 1, 2013 at 11:50 pm#353026

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Terricca…………. Thank you for your input, would like to hear from others also.

Peace and love………………………gene

August 2, 2013 at 3:11 pm#353091

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To all……This is how I understand this teaching, I believe what Jesus meant was not so much that a word “is” itself spirit and life, because a word is simply “intelligent utterance” another words a sound carring intelligence through the air or can be written, Another words, words are carriers coming from Spirit intellects, and spirits ARE life itself and is the source where words comes from, the spirit itself is what life is, so spirit and life are connected as one and the same, spirit life comes in all kind of types and kinds. Spirits enduce their life cognicity giving us our intellects which composes our lives.

A word is not the life itself but is the expression of the life which is SPIRIT ITSELF , They can be considered as one and the same, because they are from the same source as the one speaking those words, so Jesus was clear making mention all the time that those words he was relaying to us were not his words, but the Fathers words who is the ONLY TRUE GOD.

Our words are what we communicate with they proceed forth from our spirits in us which is our cognate life we have. That is the same with God the Father who is the source of all life that exists. His words identify him and his spirits, justs as our word identity us and our spirits in us. Therefore it says try the spirits to see if they are of God when a person speaks words, he or she is showing the spirit life form that is working in them, causing them to utter words from that intellect or spirit kind working in them. “SO A MAN THINKS SO HE IS”, They will also act out that intellect in there lives because, Spirit is life IT SELF. So life leaves a man when he dies why, because the Spirit which imparts life leaves him and as a result there is no life in him and he corrupts in the grave, He is separated from His body and the spirit goes back where it was before. For “when a man dies his Thoughts ( parish) ” and where there is no thought there is no life.

Therefore it says, if the spirit of him who raised Jesus Christ from the dead dwell in you, It shall also raise you mortal (dead) body from the grave .

THE WORD is IDENTIFIED With it's source because they are one and the same , rather God the Father or Man, makes no difference, GOD is SPIRIT, GOD is LIFE, GOD and HIS WORD ARE ONE AND THE SAME, no one can separate God from his words, they are identical . Therefore it says, in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. why, because God and his words are one and the something, just as we and our words are one and the same thing. IMO

Peace and love to you all…………………..gene

August 2, 2013 at 5:29 pm#353095

kerwin

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To all,

my words are spirit = my words are spiritual words.
my word are life = my words give life.

Is this in the correct forum?

August 2, 2013 at 6:57 pm#353096

abe

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 02 2013,07:11)

Therefore it says, if the spirit of him who raised Jesus Christ from the dead dwell in you, It shall also raise you mortal (dead) body from the grave .

THE WORD is IDENTIFIED With it's source because they are one and the same , rather God the Father or Man, maKes no difference GOD is SPIRIT, GOD is LIFE, GOD and HIS WORD ARE ONE AND THE SAME, no one can sedate God from his word they are identical . Therefore it says, in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. why because God and his word are one and the something, just as we and our words are one and the same thing. IMO

Peace and love to you all…………………..gene

Hi Gene,

Jn.6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

2Cor.3:6 Who also has made us able ministers of the *New Covenant;* not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life.

Is.11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him,(Jesus) the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

1Cor.12:1 Now concerning spiritual [gifts], brethren, I would not have you ignorant. 2Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.Now there are varieties of gifts,
but the same Spirit.
5And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all [persons]. 7But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; 9to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another [various] kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. 11But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.

12For even as the body is one and [yet] has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

14For the body is not one member, but many. 15If the foot says, “Because I am not a hand, I am not [a part] of the body,” it is not for this reason any the less [a part] of the body. 16And if the ear says, “Because I am not an eye, I am not [a part] of the body,” it is not for this reason any the less [a part] of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? 18But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired. 19If they were all one member, where would the body be? 20But now there are many members, but one body. 21And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; or again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary; 23and those [members] of the body which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable, 24whereas our more presentable members have no need [of it]. But God has [so] composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that [member] which lacked, 25so that there may be no division in the body, but [that] the members may have the same care for one another. 26And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if [one] member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.

27Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it. 28And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, [various] kinds of tongues. 29All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not [workers of] miracles, are they? 30All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? 31But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way.

Rev.5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and Of The Four Beasts, and in the midst of the Elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

1Cor.1:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

Eph.5:29 For no man ever hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, as also Christ doth the church: 30Because we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall be two in one flesh. 32This is a great Mystery; but I speak in Christ and in the church.

Peace brother.

August 2, 2013 at 10:34 pm#353101

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Hi Gene:

We as born again Christians become like Jesus as we lean to obey/apply his Word in our daily lives. Through his commands, his Word, the spirit of Christ becomes our new nature, and it is the spirit that defines who we are or in other words, it is the life that we live that defines who we are.

And so, the words that God has spoken to us are spirit and are life to those who obey them. The last adam became “a life giving spirit”.

Love in Christ,
Marty

August 3, 2013 at 3:34 am#353106

Jodi Lee

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“the words I am telling you “ARE” spirit and Life”.

The words which Jesus spoke were understood first of all by people of whom God gave His Spirit of understanding to, so that they could understand.

Second, when the words were understood they HAD AN AFFECT, they made a difference and a change to the mind and heart of men. That is what is meant by words being spirit, they cause change, they bring forth information and that information creates an affect. Words ignite feelings, emotions and they cause a reaction, they are embedded in the brain and dictate decisions, as well as, another persons own words. Words are alive in that regard, and in relation to the words of Jesus, those that understand and follow his words have just eaten from the Tree of Life.

August 3, 2013 at 3:37 am#353107

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Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 03 2013,04:29)

To all,

my words are spirit = my words are spiritual words.
my word are life = my words give life.

Is this in the correct forum?

Kerwin……..Indeed our words are “from” spirits that dwell “in” us. A word , any word is ( intelligent utterance ) and is spiritually connected because words come from spirit in us. We can tie , word , spirit , and life together , but the source is spirit, for both life and words, and the source of Spirit giving us life, Is God. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene

August 3, 2013 at 4:05 am#353108

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Quote (Jodi Lee @ Aug. 03 2013,14:34)

“the words I am telling you “ARE” spirit and Life”.

The words which Jesus spoke were understood first of all by people of whom God gave His Spirit of understanding to, so that they could understand.

Jodie Lee……As you say the words Jesus spoke were understood by them who had the Spirit to understand them, so we can say then the spirit must be there (first) in order to understand those spiritual words Jesus spook by the spirit of God in him. I say spiritual because they are tied to the spirit of God, and if the Spirit of God is in us then the word from that spirit, when spoken, can find a place in us , and will abide with us by virtue of that same spirit given us. So then when we try the spirits to see if they are from God, we are trying the words coming from that spirit in A PERSON. Words are indeed connected to Spirit, but it is the spirit give us the intellect that produces those intelligent utterances. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours………………………gene

August 3, 2013 at 11:33 am#353124

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Marty

You have it right

August 3, 2013 at 10:05 pm#353219

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 03 2013,22:33)

Marty

You have it right

Thanks, Pierre, and when Jesus was tempted by the devil, He answered him saying:

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Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God

Love in Christ,
Marty

August 4, 2013 at 2:04 am#353248

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Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2013,04:05)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 03 2013,22:33)

Marty

You have it right

Thanks, Pierre, and when Jesus was tempted by the devil, He answered him saying:

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Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty

yes ,only the words that come from God are worthy, because they are what in there understanding and meaning gives us live

August 4, 2013 at 2:48 pm#353324

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Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2013,09:34)

Hi Gene:

And so, the words that God has spoken to us are spirit and are life to those who obey them. The last adam became “a life giving spirit”.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty…….I agree as far as a Converted Person goes, But words of God or Jesus, can not make a rightious person no matter how hard the Try, an Operation must first take place by God in the Heart and Mind of a truly converted person, a Self based Salvation by obedience Just does not work, It take Sprit (intellect) of God to produce it in us. Therefore Paul says, “by Works of Law, shall no flesh be justified before God.

I (God will take out of them the Stoney Heart and give them a “HEART” of Flesh (soft heart) and I (GOD) will write my Law in their inward Parts, and I will be their God and they My People. It is all done through the “AWARENESS” or “REVELATION” Process GIVEN us from GOD that salvation even starts to take Place. Just as Jesus said when he told Peter this.

Peter who do you say i am , Peter responed, You are Christ the son of the living God, Jesus responded back, blessed are you Simon Bar-Jonna for flesh and blood did not “REAVEAL” that unto you , But My Father who is in Heaven has “REAVEALD” it unto you , and i say unto you, you are Peter….. (Jesus knew who Peter was Just as Peter Knew who Jesus was, by that same REAVELED KNOWLEDGE),….. That upon “THIS ROCK”….. (the power of God to get into the mind of a person and Reavel Knowledge to him)……, I shall build the Church and the gates of Hell (the grave) shall not prevail against it.

Knowledge alone does not change the Heart Marty it take the Spirit of God from God to do that. Most people base their salvation on their own efforts and power alone these are “FREE WILLERS” who think they themselves choose and perform their own salvation. IMO

peace and love to you and yours ……………………..gene

August 4, 2013 at 3:29 pm#353334

abe

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 04 2013,06:48)

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2013,09:34)

Hi Gene:

And so, the words that God has spoken to us are spirit and are life to those who obey them. The last adam became “a life giving spirit”.

Love in Christ,
Marty

peace and love to you and yours ……………………..gene

Hi Gene,

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That upon “THIS ROCK”….. (the power of God to get into the mind of a person and Reavel Knowledge to him)……, I shall build the Church and the gates of Hell (the grave) shall not prevail against it.

Amen, God is the Rock, not Peter.

Peace brother…..

August 4, 2013 at 5:56 pm#353347

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 05 2013,01:48)

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2013,09:34)

Hi Gene:

And so, the words that God has spoken to us are spirit and are life to those who obey them. The last adam became “a life giving spirit”.

Love in Christ,
Marty

peace and love to you and yours ……………………..gene

Hi Gene:

Of course, what I have stated about this relates to born again Christians.

It will not work for someone that has not been born again because we cannot obey the Word of God without making mistakes, and so, without the blood to wash away our sins when we fall short we could not become like Jesus.

And it is our Father, by His Spirit, that will lead us into all truths in His Word, and will He will also discipline us when we need it.

And so, yes, what I have stated applies to someone who has been born again, but it is also, by this Word that someone who does not know Jesus as their savior will believe, and be born again.

Love in Christ,
Marty

August 5, 2013 at 4:00 pm#353420

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Marty………Remember this, “NO” man “CAN” come unto me unless the Father “DRAW” Him, and i shall raise him up in the Last Day. It's all about Faith and Faith is Given by GOD, through the Spirit Truth. It also says, “IF” they have not the Spirit they are “NONE” of HIS”. and again , there is a way that seems right unto a man, but the end is sin and death. and again. “MANY” will come unto me and say Lord, Lord ,in “YOUR” Name we have done all the good works, and I will profess unto them depart from you workers of Iniquity I know you Not.

Marty our salvation is a Work of GOD alone from start to finish, and it makes no difference who he uses, it still is His Work, we simply are brought to Jesus by GOD the Father and if God has brought us to Jesus, He in no way will cast us out. An yes he and the Father may have to decipline us. As it is written, “God decipline his childern and scourages every son he recieves”, it is the love of God working those thing in all his childern, to deliever them from sin IMO. These things you all ready Know i am fairly sure of that brother.

peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene

August 5, 2013 at 7:25 pm#353424

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all

words by themselves do not have any meaning and so they are ,and can not be live,

but it is the composition of the phrases with the word that expressing the way to receive live from God ,and so by applying those directions we can gain everlasting live through Christ

August 6, 2013 at 5:06 pm#353477

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 06 2013,03:00)

peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene

Hi Gene:

Our commission from our Lord is to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.

The Apostle Paul states this:

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How then shall they call on him inn whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Love in Christ,
Marty

August 6, 2013 at 9:42 pm#353502